Explain Footing on Carbon Arrows-Pics?

[ishoot4thrills]

Okay, I'm ignorant to aluminum footing installed onto carbon arrows. I have been researching the topic the world over and I still don't understand the procedure.

#1-Do you install the aluminum piece of shaft to where it's flush with the end of the carbon shaft? And then screw your point into the HIT insert, and the back of the point fits up against the footing?

#2-I see where some people leave the insert in the aluminum footing, I think, and then put it onto the carbon shaft?

#3-Can someone please post some detailed pics of their carbon arrows with the footing installed?

#4-Do people hunt with footed carbon arrows? And do I need to taper the back end of the aluminum footing?

I'll be using Beman MFX Classic 500 arrows cut to 29.25" w/100 gr. brass HIT inserts installed and 125-145 gr. points. Can I still use my broadheads without footing and without modification to the ends of my arrows?

Thanks to everyone for their patience and help!

Doug

[Red Boar]

Interesting questions...been wondering the same myself.

[JRY309]

I have footed my Beman MFX Classic 500 with a 1" piece of 2020.I put it flush with the point,so 5/16" points fit flush.And I did taper the back end with a deburring tool or you can use a file,the taper helps for target removal.So you don't have a 90 degree lip on the aluminum piece.I just used my insert epoxy,24 hr. epoxy for installing the foot.Can't do pic's.I have only footed Axis/MFX if I plan on using long heavy points.They can put alot of leverage on the open end of the shaft on a glancing blow off a hard object.

[Steve O]

#1 is the correct way.

Here is a pic.  Footing the HIT type shaft strengthens up the unsupported 1/2" or so before you get to the insert.

[ishoot4thrills]

Okay, I understand that the MFX shafts are all 9/32" diameter. If this is true, then why do I see where people are using 2016, 2018, and 2020 arrows for footing MFX 340s, 400s, and 500s, respectively?

I'll be hunting with my arrows and also stumping and target shooting/3D shooting with the same dozen arrows. Do I need to foot my arrows?

[nurayb]

They all have different outside diameters thus the different shafts.

[Steve O]

All MFXs have the same  internal diameter; allowing them all to use the same HIT insert.  The OD gets larger as the staff gets stiffer.  That is why each shaft needs a different ID of footing.

[TSHOOTER]

I try to use an aluminum footing that fits fairly snug but not tightly over the carbon shaft.  Just a few thousanths for glue or epoxy is all that is needed.  I foot all carbons since I also stump shoot and hunt with them.  They have saved several arrows for me and give me a little more confidence for a hit on bone or more likely the leg in a 3d target or a tree.  Good luck.

[ishoot4thrills]

Thanks everyone for the input. Now, I guess I'll be looking for a 2020 aluminum shaft.   :D        :rolleyes:

[Smallwood]

Beman MFX Classics-
shaft/footing
500  - 2020
400  - 2018
340  - 2016

[maxwell]

What size for heritage 150's and 250's??

[Friends call me Pac]

http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=074690#000000

Does this help?

[ishiwannabe]

Maxwell, I have heard people use 2117, but the fit is very tight. I think 2216's will be perfect for ya. I know there is a thread somewhere on what aluminum to use on any specific carbon shaft...

[ishiwannabe]

Ok found the thread, I will paste the info...

Originally posted by dino:
This would be cool to have a compete list of footing sizes.  Here was what I have compiled with the blanks someone might file in for us.

Beman MFX Classics
500 - 2020
400 - 2018
340 - 2016

Beman ICS Bowhunters
500 - ?
400 - ?
340 - ?
300 - ?

ST Epic
600 - 2016

ST Excell
500 - 2016

Axis ST
500 - 1916
400 - 1916
340 - 2020/2018
300 - 2016

Carbon Express Heritage
90 - ?
150 - 2117/2216
250 - 2117/2216
350 - 2215

Carbon Express Terminators
4560 - 2216
5060 - 2216
6075 - 2216

Arrow Dynamic
Lite - 2413
Reg  - 2413

Gold Tip Traditional
3555 - 2117
5575 - 2216
7595 - ?

Old Beman Classics
500 - ?
400 - ?
340 - 2219

Old Carbon Excell
400 - 2117
More shafts that need to be added?
Fill in the blanks and I'll update the list.  dino

[vermonster13]

Axis 500s fit best in a 1918

[Kingwouldbe]

#1 Yes to both #1 & #2 I use both techniques

#2 yes these have the aluminum inserts and double footing over carbon and I do taper the back ends.


I have used single and double footing, I like double footing.



#4 yes people hunt with footed carbons





O.l & Doc Ashbey have done a lot of testing on the internal footing and I think it might be superior to external footing, just not  made any yet.

[ishoot4thrills]

Wow, David, that's some great info there. Much appreciated!

I guess I'm gonna try some 2020s on my MFX Classic 500 arrows.

Thanks everyone!

Doug

[cacciatore]

Can you show with pics how you put the insert and where the aluminum start on the carbon?

[ishoot4thrills]

Originally posted by cacciatore:
Can you show with pics how you put the insert and where the aluminum start on the carbon?

Check out this video from Pac:

http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=074690

[maxwell]

Thanks guys for the info.
 I'm gonna give it a try,  as I understand it I cut 1 " piece of 2216 whip up some epoxy and  put it inside the foot and slide it up over the shaft.

Is that about it?

Bill