Brushless/tapeless cresting

Stumpkiller · January 12, 2011, 09:11:00 PM

I may be on to something. THE ADMIRAL has asthma and I wanted to make up some arrows that did not involve lacquer. So I am trying to come up with a satisfactory method of making arrows without foul odors. Using alcohol based shaft stain and a yellow leather dye as a pseudo crown I came up with a muted but pleasant color combo. All wiped on with a rag. Now I am at the cresting stage. I used a black Sharpie permanent marker for the main crest, coated with the polyu using three coats (24 hrs apart and steel wool between #2 and #3) and a rag applicator again. Then I used a Pilot silver ink pen for the lining. I think it came out darned nice.

My initial compatability tests showed the polyu would take the silver off so it goes on last (same with lacquer/paints). What I will likely try next is to tape off the line between shaft and crown and then put one polyu wipe on before the black ink, two more on top after and then the metallic liner.

Next step is to Duco on the fletch. These are P.O. cedar that are hand tapered the last 12". If it all works out I'll write up the whole process.

Rob DiStefano · January 12, 2011, 09:14:00 PM

ya doing great! not to steal yer thunder, but i've been using sharpies and silver/gold pentels for the last 5 years ... the bestest, fastest, nicest looking cresting, for me ...

Cyclic-Rivers · January 12, 2011, 09:16:00 PM

Looks great to me Charlie. Good luck with the rest of the process.

ks_jon · January 12, 2011, 09:18:00 PM

Nice I like it.

bendbig · January 12, 2011, 09:23:00 PM

Very nice, looks great. Now don't forget finished pics.

dcmeckel · January 12, 2011, 09:35:00 PM

I have little experience with woodies,but it looks like the rift or cathedral in the shaft is not lined up with the nocks properly.If I'm not right let me know so I can learn why you did them that way.But yeah the stripes look great!

dcmeckel · January 12, 2011, 09:42:00 PM

Sorry Stumpkiller,those weren't your arrows I was lookin at,they belong to someone else.

Stumpkiller · January 12, 2011, 09:43:00 PM

Those are Rob's (I'm gluing the nocks on mine right now - index aligned with the grain and the runouts pointing towards the tip on top. (Which is an old shoot-off-your-hand safety step).

I gotta get me some more colorful Sharpies! At least I know the cresting wil llast. Thatks Rob!

Rob DiStefano · January 12, 2011, 09:45:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by dcmeckel:
I have little experience with woodies,but it looks like the rift or cathedral in the shaft is not lined up with the nocks properly.If I'm not right let me know so I can learn why you did them that way.But yeah the stripes look great!

don't understand .... ?

Ben Maher · January 12, 2011, 09:47:00 PM

Its how I do mine .....

Rob DiStefano · January 12, 2011, 09:48:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Ben Maher:

Its how I do mine .....

copy cat!!!!

NoCams · January 12, 2011, 11:46:00 PM

Rob,
If you look at the grain runout on the bottom arrow second pic you can see it looks like your nock is glued on about 90 degrees off...... ? Those rifts should be either on the top of that arrow when it is nocked on the string or bottom, not on the side. The index on the nock should be 90 degrees opposite of the rifts, not inline with them. JMHO and what I was taught by the fine arrowsmiths here on the gang.

Hot Hap · January 13, 2011, 01:46:00 AM

I'm with NoCams-dcmeckel. Hap

Rob DiStefano · January 13, 2011, 06:04:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by NoCams:
Rob,
If you look at the grain runout on the bottom arrow second pic you can see it looks like your nock is glued on about 90 degrees off...... ? Those rifts should be either on the top of that arrow when it is nocked on the string or bottom, not on the side. The index on the nock should be 90 degrees opposite of the rifts, not inline with them. JMHO and what I was taught by the fine arrowsmiths here on the gang.

to get those dozen arrows to spine uniformly correctly, using my home made spine machine, that's where the nocks hadda go. sometimes arras spine stiffer on the runout sides. didn't care about the grain orientation, only about the proper spine, and not at all concerned about those arras blowing up. ymmv.

Ben Maher · January 13, 2011, 06:14:00 AM

Hey copy cat ...
That is one techno fused , modern gizmo ya got there ! lol

Slightly of topic ... What actual weight do you use ? 1.96lb or similiar ? I had never thought of just making one [ yeah yeah I know copy cat again ] ... but I might now
What distance do you set it 26" or 28 " ?

I agree about the nock orientation and strength etc , particularly if they are Surewood Firs ...
Any assistance appreciated .

Izzy · January 13, 2011, 06:14:00 AM

Nice arras Admiral.If your having trouble with compatibility issues, try a water based poly in between paint courses.That did the trick for me.Your choice of low fume paint is a wise one.I dont have asthma but the queen sure does frown on me cap spraying in the basement.I hafta wait for warmer weather.

Rob DiStefano · January 13, 2011, 06:33:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Ben Maher:
Hey copy cat ...
That is one techno fused , modern gizmo ya got there ! lol

pretty wild, eh mate? hey, but it works killer!

Slightly of topic ... What actual weight do you use ? 1.96lb or similiar ? I had never thought of just making one [ yeah yeah I know copy cat again ] ... but I might now
What distance do you set it 26" or 28 " ?

i can adjust the post 'v' blocks for 26" to 29" distances, but typically i'll use 29" post-to-post. that's my old sinker weight hodge podge that weighed 1.5#, i made a new, cast lead one that weighs 1.7#. the amount of weight doesn't matter at all for my system.

for me, i know what works and what doesn't, in terms of shaft/arrow spine. i'll find a featherless shaft that flies great out of a particular bow and measure the spine on that machine and note where the dial registers.

now all i gotta do is find other shafts that'll match the same dial registration. the amount of weight or measured shaft distance don't matter at all, since it's the host shaft that predicates what will work best.

I agree about the nock orientation and strength etc , particularly if they are Surewood Firs ...
Any assistance appreciated .

as i already stated, i could care less about grain orientation. you'd be surprised at how different a woodie (ANY genus of wood!) will spine 'on the round' and more often than not it will be on the runout side. hey, it's wood, it's organic, can't fool with mama nature, she rules the roost.

Ben Maher · January 13, 2011, 06:36:00 AM

Thanks Rob.
A new project is born !

moose eye levi · January 13, 2011, 09:06:00 AM

While using the same products (the markers) would dipping the shafts in min wax poly make them run as opposed to rubbing it on?

lpcjon2 · January 13, 2011, 09:15:00 AM

Just a thought for the stain without smell, I used some RIT dye I had left over and filled a tude and stuck 6 shafts in it and left them for about an hour submerged. They came out great and just did a couple of poly coats and they were done.No smell.I'm sure you could rub it on by hand if you wanted to.