Help me not reinvent the wheel

[Ray Hammond]

Morrison Cheyenne recurve... 58#@29"   I draw 28.5

I want to shoot grizzly 160's or 190's and I want total arrow weight between 600-650.

Help me with shaft - carbon or aluminum- size, make, length, etc if you have insight.

Thanks

[Bill Kissner]

Carbon Express Heritage 250's, 29 1/2 inches long with 50 grain brass inserts and Griz 190's ought to get you to around 600/625 grains.

[pdk25]

I think you might be looking at 29.5" .340 spine carbon arrows, like beeman mfx classic, if you want to use the griz 190 and 75 grain brass inserts to get your overall weight around 615 grains.  Ought to be pretty close.  The shafts come with brass inserts that can be broken down to weigh 50 or 75 grains.  Depending on what weight broadhead insert you use, you could use the 50/75 grain insert or the generic HIT insert which I think weighs around 20 grains. 0.400 spine arrows I think that the arrow might be too light spined with the necessary weight up front, IMHO.  Then again, I probably don't have as clean of a release as you, Ray.

[DesertDude]

Ray, I shoot 58# Tomahawk @29" arrows cut 29 1/4

GoldTip 55/75 Expedition shafts about $50 dz before shipping.

100gr brass insert

100gr steel adaptor

160gr Grizzly

nock and feathers

total arrow 610gr+  about 28% FOC

CX Heritage 250 standard insert instead of the brass 100gr arrow come out about the same 610gr

I can send you a couple to try if you like.

Mark

[Slasher]

Hey Ray,

Sorta like my set up with 57# whip... I shoot 29.5" Beman MFX  500 Classic using 100grn brass inserts and use 175-200 grn broad heads... Eclipse125 w/steel inserts...

Doesn't seem right by arithmetic, but bareshafted well...

Whatever works fer ya...

[Steelhead]

I am shooting CX 250s with 100 grain inserts and 150 grain heads out of a Cheyenne thats 54 #s at 30.I draw 30 inches and cut the arrows to 30.5 inches.

I get excellant flight and arrows are around 600 grains.

I think for your setup the same arrow cut a tad shorter is gonna be in the ballpark.

[xtrema312]

I have found there are no short cuts on carbons and what works for one doesn't work for another person.  The shooters and bows as all different.  I would also say to try the CX shafts or some other trad heavier shaft carbon for the weight.  My preference is for carbon, but aluminium always seems to be easier for most people.  I have shot bows in that same weight range at a longer draw. I can shoot a 500 in some and a 400 spine in others.  Riser cut is a big thing.  I don't know what it is on that bow.  There are many other variables.  If the total head weight is 190 or less and you don't have a BH insert I would personally start with a CX250 and make sure you have some brass inserts.  50's and 100's would be a good idea.  Then start full length and play with different field point and insert weights.  Cut a little at a time as you check out the tune with the field point weights.  Length on carbons is critical,  just cutting to length and trying to get them to fly with a give point weight is difficult for me anyway.  Now that I have some arrows around of different spines and lengths it is easier some days to tune a bow by just changing up the point weights.  Going for a given point weight and having to work down the shaft length is a lot harder and more time consuming for me.

[Tom Leemans]

Tonkin cane arra. Fletch it and put a point on it.  :D

[Bill Carlsen]

I use the Beman MFX (camo shafts are a bit heavier) and when I put on 220 grain Phantoms they weigh in right at 600 grains. My arrows are 29" BOP. With  the 190 Grizzlies you  should be right on when you add the weight of the bh adapter. I am shooting 60# @ 28".

[pseman]

Well obviously there is no one answer for this, but here is what I have shot in the past that might work for you. Beman ICS Bowhunter .340 spine with 100 gr insert and 250gr head(Grizzly 160gr + 100 adapter would be close enough). Trim as you bareshaft likely around 30" in length until they tune properly. This should easily get you 600-650gr total weight. Better yet, the shafts are less than $50/dozen.

Hope this helps.

PS. These shot/tuned great from my Widow which is 51lb at 30". My shafts were 31".

[Mint]

Hey Ray,
 Using Stu Millers Dynamic Spine Tester program I come up with Heritage 350's cut to 29" with a 100 gr brass insert and 190 grizzlys. They would weigh 659 grains. Now you might have to tweak a little and use the 160gr and maybe trim the arrow a 1/4 inch to fine tune but this should get you in the ballpark. The program has been spot on with me. I inputted that your recurve is center shot, if it isn't then that would change things depending on how much it is not center shot.

[RC]

Probably won`t work for you Ray....send the Cheyenne down here to me and I`ll take that problem off your hands...lol.RC

[wtpops]

2117 30 to 32" will get you close to 600 - 650 with the point weights you listed and should work for spine. 2216 might get you there but you will have to load the front and would get you to around 650 to 675.

[hvyhitter]

Ray...I shoot aluminums out of a 59@28 predator. my setup is 2020s at 29.5 with either 160 on glue in adapters or 190 on swaged shafts. 590 to 610 total wt (some capped,some wrapped,some plain). 2117s are just a little stiffer but about 40 gr lighter per shaft, if you want even heavier heads....

[Jason Jelinek]

Looking at the spreadsheet for Dynamic Spine Calculator (it was very close for my 2 bows) here's what I've come up with.

GT 7595
50 grain brass insert
250 grain head (160 with 100 gr steel adaptor or 190 with 75 grain adaptor)

This will give you a 650-660 grain arrow.

* This is assuming your bow is center shot or 1/16" center shot.

Bareshaft tune from there, if you truly draw 28.5" (which I'm sure you do) all other GT shafts are too weak with 300 gr up front.  It looks like you'll end up with a shaft 30.5" long.

[buejeger]

I like a bit of arrow sticking out the front for broad-head clearance.. So I would say 30" arrow at least.
This is going to put you up to around 340 to 300 spine depending on your release and how centreshot your bow is.
My starting point suggestion would be Easton St Axis shafts with the easton 75 grain brass insert, 100 grain steel adaptor and the 160 grizzly. With 3 x 4" feathers and eastons x-nock that should put you right around 640-650 grains.
If you have to move up to 300 spine then you will be looking at about 670-680.
Regards Nathan

[blueline]

Hi Ray your set up is a bit like mine!  I use GT 75/95, 100 brass insert, 100 gr steel adapter, 190 BH.  Fletch with Banannas  But I am a little closer to 750 total. The 55/75 300 up front will get you where you want to be

[Paul Mattson]

Ray,
  Here's an option also, Arrow Dynamic Hammerhead with 100 grn brass insert.  The Hammerhead with brass insert will weigh in at around 475 grn this is for a full lenth shaft.  Cutting to your length will get you to where you want to be.

[pseman]

Confused yet Ray??  :confused:

[Guru]

How about those Carbonwood 4000's I sent ya?  Cut to 29" and with about 250 up front they should be right at 600gns....