Terry's FORM CLOCK : question?

[Terry Green]

1st hunt with a Kwik Stik I inherited from Chris Surtees at a Solana Ranch Tradgang Hunt. I shot two of the 3 hogs that have charged me and they died where they were shot....

[Terry Green]

Hang with me guys, I'm building up to making a point....

Grip of 1 of 3 Morrison Cougars. This grip is responsible for my most intense pressured shot ever, and on another Cougar I made my most amazing shot.

[Terry Green]

Longest shot I ever made(on big game) grip, unknowingly at the shot due to perspective out west vs east.  Morrison Shawnee....

[Terry Green]

OK, so here's the reason for all the grip pics and shot descriptions....

The reason I posted all those was to show not only is it possible to shoot many grips, but that GREAT shots can be made from many grips. Your shot should not be limited by a grip.

[Kirkll]

The only exception to that rule would be those archers that refuse to yeild to the grips balance point and insist on heeling down,  putting more pressure on the lower portion of the grip.

 This is most common with guys going  from shooting a straight Hill style long bow grip a lot, to a a hybrid or recurve bow with a sculptured grip designed and balanced for a higher pressure point in the web of your hand, and thumb pad.

The same can be said for going the other direction tryin* to shoot a straight grip with a high wrist…..But…. If you let the bow tell you where that pressure point needs to be and adapt , or yield to it… there is no thinking about it at all.


Good stuff here…. Kirk

[Terry Green]

100% Kirk, that's why I said, "Your shot *should* not be limited by a grip". Not all will 'yield' to this info either. 

[Jim Jackson]

Gotta love this thread. 

[Kirkll]

I would love to see photos of your preferred grip shape from the belly side of the riser Terry.

I noticed on your order form grip specs that you prefer low wrist angle, no palm swell, and like a thicker throat circumference of 7 1/8”.  Seeing photos will help me get it perfect when the time comes to shape your grip.


There are a lot of archers that love “The flat spot” that your thumb pad settles into nicely. Most of these guys shoot with an open hand and totally relaxed fingers gently placed on the back of the riser.   

I can’t remember which famous archer that promotes the Jaguar grip, but I want to say Rod Jenkins ……  this particular grip shape not only has a flat spot, but also has a sharper edge where the grip typically transitions into a palm swell. These Jaguar grips are typically seen on ILF risers and  have no palm swell at all,  and that sharper edge forces you to keep your hand open more and apply the pressure to just the web of your hand and thumb pad. This is a great grip shape that helps develop proper hand placement for beginners, but it’s not for everyone.

I personally love that flat spot that fits the thumb pad nicely, but transitions smoothly into a moderate palm swell…..   Kirk

[Terry Green]

Kirk, 7 was a typo....

Its 5 & 1/8

I'll see about more pics today...

"I personally love that flat spot that fits the thumb pad nicely"

Are you talking about a thumb locator/ledge?

[Kirkll]

I thought that seemed a bit LARGE on that 7 1/8" measurement . Typically they run 4 7/8" to 5", with a standard 1 3/4" depth, so your 5 1/8" sounds much better.

Yes sir... i'm talking about the back of the thumb ledge where the pressure is applied right below the web in your hand. It doesn't have to be a wide extended thumb ledge either. it's just a small section a couple inches in length top to bottom and 1/2" to 3/4" wide flat spot that your thumb pad fits perfectly at a natural wrist rotation angle.  A rounded area in that section of the grip still works ok for many guys, but that slight flat spot makes a more repeatable hand location.

What i call a natural wrist rotation would look like this ... If you hold your arm out with relaxed fingers the wrist is naturally rotated at knuckles at about 45 degree angle and you thumb pad is vertical.

The line i drew on my thumb pad shows wher the pressure is applied to the grip.

Kirk

[Terry Green]

Ah, totaly different that what I was thinking. I was thinking about the  thumb locator that would be on the side of the riser for your thumb to rest on. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Kirkll]

I’m not really sure how important a thumb ledge really is. There are many bow grips with leather wraps and no thumb ledge at all that are very comfortable to me. 

But …they do serve a purpose for establishing a consistent wrist rotation much like a locator grip lets the web of your hand settle in the same spot each time. The thumb ledge works as a locator for wrist rotation.

I have had a few customers over the years that had serious issues with arrow contact with their knuckle rotating up to close to the shelf. What I found was that they had an extreme wrist rotation naturally…. In that case I lowered the thumb ledge a bit, and slightly raised the shelf about 1/4”. This completely solved the issue for them.      Kirk

[D Durham]

I think a thumb ledge is no different than a 'flat spot' on a grip. Both help locate.