Fred Eichler's article in TB Mag "You Didn't Miss"

amar911 · November 02, 2012, 10:30:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Landshark160:

QuoteOriginally posted by AWPForester:
The higher pitched frequency will carry farther. So you are incorrect about that.
That is incorrect. Low frequency sounds travel farther than high frequency. Perfect example, if you are near lightning you hear the loud, high frequency crack. But far away from the lightning you only hear the low pitch, rolling boom of thunder. The high frequency sound from the crack you hear close up does not make it very far from the source. [/b]

Right on, Chris. http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=WavesSound_IntroSound.xml

Allan

Tsalt · November 03, 2012, 12:28:00 AM

Rob, that does sound like fun. I'll have to try that.

Tsalt · November 03, 2012, 12:31:00 AM

Rob, that does sound like fun. I'll have to try that.

BowDiddle · November 03, 2012, 01:14:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Bjorn:
the fletching causes a fair bit of noise too-some cuts more than others and more helical means more noise as well.

I firmly believe, that more deer react, and duck due to arrow noise than to bow noise.

The Hawk · November 03, 2012, 08:26:00 AM

I shot at the same buck 3 times in '11. He would come in on high alert and give me a 30 yard broadside. I was shooting my elk setup, 12 grains per lb, 170 fps. The buck would hear and see the arrow. He would jump forward and over it. On the last shot he jumped forward and up, I watched the arrow traveling on the line I wanted but, with his jump, I just scratched his belly, almost circumcised him. All I found was patch of white hair and one drop of blood. He never came back???

Earl E. Nov...mber · November 03, 2012, 08:30:00 AM

I've had to many flocks of ducks fly over me and or deer. Scares the heck out of me, but I have yet to see deer react..

Arrow noise means nada to me.

I focus on visual and bow noise and always hold low.

toddster · November 03, 2012, 11:26:00 AM

I am a firm believer in a quiet bow. My longbow is a very slight noise, so slight that my brother standing next to me looks to see if I shot. Wood arrows in my opinion is what quiet's my bows down more than anything. I believe in what the master say, use a heavy arrow get all the Kinetic energy out of the bow and it will be quiet (tuned right). Yesterday, I shot at a buck in mild wind, he heard the arrow hit the leafs low, and looked around, I got another arrow on and he left before I shot. As i turned to look around, there was 3 Does 20 yards behind me feeding, they didn't hear a thing. I was on the ground hunting. Years ago I used aluminum and carbon but couldn't get my bow quiet and I detest string silencers, so went to wood and all well.

Fastltz · November 05, 2012, 12:06:00 PM

High pitches don't carry as far thats why you hear the kid with his bass thumping car way before you hear any of the other music.

Russ Clagett · November 05, 2012, 02:13:00 PM

I have had deer bounce their bellies off the ground while jumping the string here in central Texas...amazing.

These days I really try to shoot at deer that are not alert....just feeding and messing around like they do.. But once they go on alert, I stand down cause I know what's gonna happen. If I do shoot at alert deer I sometimes aim just for the bottom of the chest so they'll duck down into the shot.

Real close shots help with this too.

JamesKerr · November 05, 2012, 02:35:00 PM

Our deer in Arkansas are pros at ducking the string. I bet if I were to have videoed some of my shots nearly every one of my "misses" would have hit the deer around mid body level if they wouldn't have ducked it. We do all we can to make sure our bows and arrows are quiet but the reality of it is that deer are almost always on high alert and have much better hearing than we could ever hope for.

Dave Lay · November 05, 2012, 02:39:00 PM

I have sold several very fine bows due to the fact i couldnt tune them well enough to get them as quiet as i want. On walking deer, its a shot I perfer, but its gotta be fairly close. I have never had a walking deer jump string...

charles m · December 18, 2012, 08:17:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by amar911:

QuoteOriginally posted by Landshark160:

QuoteOriginally posted by AWPForester:
The higher pitched frequency will carry farther. So you are incorrect about that.
That is incorrect. Low frequency sounds travel farther than high frequency. Perfect example, if you are near lightning you hear the loud, high frequency crack. But far away from the lightning you only hear the low pitch, rolling boom of thunder. The high frequency sound from the crack you hear close up does not make it very far from the source. [/b]
Right on, Chris. http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=WavesSound_IntroSound.xml

Allan [/b]

Yeah Yeah Yeah...but lets not outsmart ourselves. Don't lose the main point. The deer ARE close to the source of the sound. So, whether it travels far or not doesn't matter, they are surely going to hear it.

bowtough · December 18, 2012, 09:28:00 AM

Always shoot a lil low,I don't care how quiet you think your bow is,with a whitetail it's never quiet enough!

Altiman94 · December 18, 2012, 12:13:00 PM

I can't ever get my bow as quiet as I'd like. I'm trying all the different types of string silencers out to see what I like. That doesn't mean I still won't miss however.

ddauler · December 18, 2012, 02:03:00 PM

Great discussion. I don't think we can get our bows quiet enough so deer don't hear them but I will say that I killed 30 or so deer with home made self bows never remember one jumping the srtring. Got me a good ole Black Widow and wow them critters were ducking arrows. I fought and fought to get it quiet never with complete success. Lot's of time had does duck arrows. Started shooting low and bingo. I still don't know if it was the selfbows quietness or just all of the shots were under 10 yards. Now I shoot longbow and still shoot low on purpose as Chris says above and it works great.

Crash · December 18, 2012, 02:03:00 PM

Some vented broadheads make a heck of a sound also. The only deer that I know for certain ducked my arrow, I was using a 3 blade vented broadhead. I killed 4 other deer with the same bow and never had a reaction but I was using a non-vented 2 blade on them. I don't own the 3 blade broadheads anymore.

Pheonixarcher · December 18, 2012, 07:10:00 PM

I think one of the biggest culprits of bow noise, is the design and materials of the bow itself. I have had much less of a problem eliminating sting noise than I have had with limb noise. It doesn't seem to matter where the brace is set, with some bows, the limbs always seem to hum or ring a little.

Overspined · December 18, 2012, 07:25:00 PM

I've NEVER had a deer drop at the shot before the arrow arrived. I've shot a lot of em, our season is mid sept to Jan 3

Kituwa · December 18, 2012, 07:40:00 PM

It does not matter how quiet you get your bow or how fast it shoots,,they even duck my bullets from a 270 weatherby,lol. Thats my story and im stickin to it!

Tim Finley · December 18, 2012, 09:16:00 PM

I had a deer duck this year and it hit him high and below the spine. 5 days later I got him on trail camera and you could see the hole or the mark. I also missed one after that but it may have been me, everything happens so fast you cant see for yourself what happens . I was in a ground blind and I though my bow was the problem so I had my son shoot out of the blind to see how much noise it made ,I was surprised at how quite the bow was, I could hardley hear it, but boy were my arrows buzzing .I trimmed my fletching to parabolic and hit the next buck right where I was looking . Have someone shoot your bow while you are in front and to the side of your target then youll know !!