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Fred Eichler's article in TB Mag "You Didn't Miss"

Started by SuperK, November 01, 2012, 11:42:00 PM

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SuperK

After re-reading Fred Eichler's article in Traditional Bowhunter Magazine "You Didn't Miss", I got to thinking about bow noise. (This was after I  experienced yet another doe "ducking the string" followed shortly by a 6-point buck doing the same thing.  2 deer in one afternoon less than 30 minutes apart WILL get you to thinking!)  My bow is quiet (at least to me!) but I have noticed that different arrow materials make different sounds when shooting.
I shot at those 2 deer with Douglas Fir wooden arrows and my bow makes a dull "thump" (for lack of a better word) upon release.  When I shoot my weighted carbon arrows (yes, I use both wood and carbon   :rolleyes: ),my bow is still quiet but the sound is a higher pitch.  
I wonder if the frequency is as important as the decibles?  We all strive for a "quiet" bow (decibles) but doesn't a lower frequency sound (like the dull thump of the wood arrows) travel farther than a higher frequency sound (like the carbon)?  Have you noticed this yourself?  Has anybody done a study on this?  Does it really make that much of a difference or am I just over-thinking this?  Thanks for your feedback.   :wavey:
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Rick Richard

I think we all over "think" this.  We should try to get our bows as quiet as possible, however the only way to remedy this is if our arrows travelled faster than the speed of sound.  Also, at this point in the season,  deer are more spooky because of the increased human run ins and will react to anything slightly out of the norm.  So, what am I saying...expect it to occur and shoot low or when the deer appears relaxed.

Brianlocal3

JD Berry Taipan (original) 53@28 62"
Cascade mountain Brush Hawk 53@28 56"

SheltonCreeker

I agree with above statements. Also I like those close shots less reaction time for them.
"Other things being equal, it is the man who shoots with his heart in his bow that hits the mark." Dr. Saxton Pope

Mudd

In the words of the former owner of "Black Widow bows, Ken Beck..."Hold low Kimosabi,they're riding Shetland ponies!"

Allow me to muddy the waters even further... why is it that the majority of selfbows that I have shot are so quiet that second and 3rd shots are often there for the taking with the game still unaware that they've been shot at?

If my post detracts from your intent, please pm me and I will gladly edit or delete mine.

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ti-guy

Agree,nervous deer jump more easely.BTW Superk,did they jumped the string with the wood or carbon arrows?
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Tom Leemans

We've all learned how to wait for that perfect broadside or quartering shot. I wonder how many people watch the ears? I do. I wait until the ears are turned away when I draw, and try to do the same when I shoot. This is also why I try to get them in a close. I've missed enough times, due to my own mistakes, but I've rarely had deer jump the string. I hold a little low, just in case.

I have noticed a trend on TV hunting shows where the hunters are taking longer shots, simply because they have flatter shooting, faster bows. I've noticed a lot of those shots are "higher than I'd like" or "farther back than I'd like". Play those back in slow motion and you'll see the animals jump the string (and cables and pullies...)
Got wood? - Tom

jsweka

Like Rick said above, we over think this.

Let's face it deer can hear A LOT better than us and if a "quiet" bow can scare them into ducking the string is a "noisy" bow going to make them duck more.
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ddauler

Just shoot at white line in crease just above elbow!
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Rob W.

Body language of the animal dictates how high/low I aim in certain situations or if I take the shot at all.

That said my 2 top priorities for a bow are good grip and it has to be quiet. I have taken the same deer after a miss and others standing close.
This stuff ain't no rocket surgery science!

ARwarden259

Had this problem yesterday. I shot a doe that was alert and she jumped the string. I had compensated for the downward motion but she actually moved forward more than down causing me to hit much further back than I had intended. Does anybody compensate by focusing a little further forward than you would ideally want the arrow to impact?

Sharpend60

Have someone else tell ya if you're bow is noisey.

You have all sorts of unconscious evaluations when you drop the string.

The other person, standing next to and slightly behind you, with back turned to the target, will have a much better idea if you have a 'loud' setup.

The only way to roll.

joe ashton

On the tv "hunts" those guys always burp to stop the deer but then the deer is alert. set your shots up close and personal so that there is less time for deer movement. and pray.
Joe Ashton,D.C.
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AWPForester

The higher pitched frequency will carry farther.  So you are incorrect about that.  If the bow is quiet that is about all you can do other than aim a little low but, know that aiming low is no cure all.  Because if a deer is really tuned up, they will drop and turn out of the way before the arrow even gets there.

Got a video here somewhere that has my buddy shooting a doe at 30 yards with a compound blaziing about 280 fps.  His shot was horrible and was going to miss the deer behind it, but the poor deer spun upon releaese, switching directions and the arrow caught her about mid neck 3 inches below the jaw line.  She ran about 40 yards.

All you can do is the best you can control and as suggested above, Pray it all works out.  God Bless
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Bjorn

Getting the bow quiet is part of the solution, but the fletching causes a fair bit of noise too-some cuts more than others and more helical means more noise as well. You can try this yourself by standing near the target and listening to the arrow after it leaves the bow and flies downrange towards you.
Position yourself behind something to do this-duh!
Animals are also alerted by catching a glimpse of the bow being raised and you coming to full draw. There is a lot going on and it all needs to be covered when you need to close distance to 20 yds or less before taking a shot.

Bud B.

Background noise plays a part as well. (rustling leaves in the wind, nearby road noise, etc)

How many of us hear the bass of an oncoming vehicle with loud music playing. We usually hear it long before we hear the car's engine or see it, if it comes close enough. Think of jake brakes on a semi. We hear them long distances away. (low frequency). Think of the thump as a low freq warning device. Think of the high pitch string twang as a warning device.
Plus, you're dealing with an animal that can hear things we only hope to hear without amplification.

Catch them at ease, looking away, and with ears away. No bow will be absolutely silent upon release. But, the more quiet, the better. Close is good too.

Of all the bows I own the most quiet is a string follow Howard Hill Big Five.
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Tsalt

I read that article too and it soothed some of my self-loathing from a recent miss high.  It reinforced what I know to be true... pick a spot on the lower third of the body!  Looking back at my last miss, I don't think I picked a spot at all.... just kind of generally looking at the vital area.     :banghead:     I also tried to shoot here while she was walking because I know that stopping them puts them on alert.  But the walking shot felt really disorienting.  What's the trick there?
I also found the recent TBM Email tip of the week by Don Thomas helpful.  He makes that point that it is really easy to let your bow arm drop when shooting down from a stand.   Got to bend at the waist!  
So, about shooting dear while walking... Is that something you guys practice?
Tim Salters

"But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One."  Genesis 49:24

Rob W.

Tsalt, One of the local clubs has a deer target on a track that slowly walks by. My boys could shoot at that thing all day. We have put 3D targets in little red wagons and pulled them by. I think the best practice is squirrel/rabbit hunting and aerials though.

Rob
This stuff ain't no rocket surgery science!

Landshark160

QuoteOriginally posted by AWPForester:
The higher pitched frequency will carry farther.  So you are incorrect about that.  
That is incorrect.  Low frequency sounds travel farther than high frequency.  Perfect example, if you are near lightning you hear the loud, high frequency crack. But far away from the lightning you only hear the low pitch, rolling boom of thunder. The high frequency sound from the crack you hear close up does not make it very far from the source.
Chris
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kuch

Once again , Justin....right on. All you can do ....ist thebest you can. experienced or inexperienced, bow /arrow set up irrelevant. The specific situation is a single case study each time ....thats why bowhunting is great. Yes ,they duck ...sometimes. yes, they dont....sometimes and you miss 4x. And yes , they die in seconds from a "perfect" shot and you are on top of the world. It all happens multiple  times if you hunt enough. It is my favorite.


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