brian just emailed me and said the main differences between the risers is the 1" longer sight window and a few ounces heavier.


phenolic is a man made material using resins. its heavy and doesnt flex. so it would add stiffness to the riser. and it can take a whole lot of beating.

Lin...Thanks! I gotta agree with you about the phenolic/ myrtle combo.....it is a classy look. I really have to stress how tough the bow is and will not post close ups of it as most guys would not talk to me anymore for being so hard on it. More so than the looks, shootability and durability is where it shines. There is ZERO hand shock...really...Zero! I wouldn't hesitate to go heavier than I normally would as it draws so smooth that it seems light.

As far as limb/riser length options, I really can't comment. I would usually go with more limb and less riser but can honestly say that whatever Brian or Steve say is good....believe it!! Everything Steve told me was to a tee...no exaggerating no down playing but bang on! I also am the wrong guy to ask about the tech stuff involved with forming the riser....but interested in knowing as well?

Regardless of the combo you go with I KNOW you'll be impressed. Did I mention I have another on the way? ....Ryan

Here's my TT with the matching quiver. Brian can set you up with one of these as well!

from what i know, you buy phenolic in blocks and cut or machine it. its not injected into a riser mold.


ryan that is a sweet looking TT. do you find the phenolic to be colder than wood?

joe...the Phenolic is a very different type of material. At 1st glance it appears to be like the magnesium risers in years past but is very different. I never once noticed the riser too cold this fall (and it was cold out), and didn't have my glove freeze to the riser like with magnesium ones. It is much more like a hard plastic/ wood feel. I wouldn't say that it warms up the same as wood but certainly isn't cold either. The phenolic seemed as though it was simply always the same regardless of tempertaure. Don't know if that helps...Ryan

Isn't phenolic many layers of resin impregnated linen fabric?  In any case it seems to be very strong and stable, which is probably why it finds it's way into the reinforced tips of many FF limbs.

I currently have two Silvertips and one TT. My latest Silvertip and TT are both 60" bows 50#@28". I really like both bows. The major difference between the two bows is the grip. Although the Schafers have a great grip I believe for me the TT is the best grip I have ever held on any bow. There are some differences in shooting characteristics that I have noticed in mine. I am not sure if I will be able to properly explain it but what it's worth, here goes. To me the Silvertip has a slight resonance that I can feel in the limbs after the shot over the TT. It is sort of like one fishing rod being a bit more sensative over another one. If I shoot them, one right after the other, my shots with the TT will hit about 6" left of the Silvertip shots. If I shoot one for awhile and then switch and shoot the other one for awhile I am able to adapt to their different shooting characteristics and group nicely with either bow. I am slightly a bit more consistant in shot placement with the Silvertip over the TT. They both cast a heavy hunting arrow with authority and I can't tell any noticable difference in speed. They both draw very smoothly throughout my entire draw length. I like them both and wouldn't want to be without either. Like others have said, It would behoove you to try them both.

Louis

yes phenolic is resin and layers of material. they can use paper or cloth like material.....not sure what the differences are though.


thanks ryan for your answer.

I don't know about you guys but I can't wait to get my next bow from Brian.  I'm like a little kid in a candy store.     Threads like this just make it worse. ha ha...

dave, what woods are you getting?

The last phenolic I saw in a riser was in a Predator. The bow was finished in very high gloss.  The phenolic was gorgeous and looked like highly polished obsidian.  However, I recently asked a bowyer about using phenolic in a bow I was having made. He didn't recommend it to me because he said it is difficult (impossible?) to hide the fine lines of linen used to make the phenolic.  Apparently it is more difficult for the bowyer to handle phenolic than wood?

I'm certainly not slamming phenolic, I think the bow above is amazing looking and I like some heft in my recurves.

One of my favorite bows of old was the Thunderbird -- I recall it was phenolic (1-piece).

Have not decided on the one but one is going to be some brown cocobolo riser.

David, I hear there is some nice cedar sitting out there in Iowa...

My new TT just got here last week. 60" 58@28". 16" Walnut diamondwood riser. Bamboo cores under black glass. Haven't had a chance to do anything with it yet, maybe this weekend. The way my hunting bows seem to take a beating I went with a pretty straight forward model.

I hope to own both some day.

Owned a ST and saw and shot the TT at Denton hill this year.IMO the Tip has better attention to detail in the finish work but the TT is impressive to shoot.Great grip and limb design///

I traded for a TT during mid-week.  The bow was shipped yesterday. I'd say by Monday I'll have a TT to compare with the loaner Silvertip I've been shooting.

Of course my bows are all lefties so naturally I'll be reporting faster, smoother, better accuracy, better woods, ......sorry, can't help myself.

Roy,

You know they grow all those lefty woods out in California....right?

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Yikes Kevin,
I never thought about it that way!  

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