QuoteOriginally posted by ChuckC:
May have been said already but. . .  Unless you plan on shooting it once then throwing it away. .  you STILL need to learn to sharpen it even if it does come sharp.
ChuckC

and again this is the problem. I can get any 2 blade head sharp like a razor. but i am now at 10 tries on these 3 blade heads and might as well not even started cause the are no more sharp than when they came out of the damn package

I can understand your frustration.  I watched videos and read on how to sharpen the woodmen. Then I filed, put them to a stone, used a diamond hone, etc. etc. etc. I just couldn't get them sharp. I took them to a friend's shop and he hit them a few licks with a file and they were scary sharp.  There is definitely a skill to it.

QuoteOriginally posted by Hogcoots:
I can understand your frustration.  I watched videos and read on how to sharpen the woodmen. Then I filed, put them to a stone, used a diamond hone, etc. etc. etc. I just couldn't get them sharp. I took them to a friend's shop and he hit them a few licks with a file and they were scary sharp.  There is definitely a skill to it.

This is what I will have to do I guess. I just cant get it. Its real frustratin

Now you're gett'n it. Just slow down and take your time. It will come to you.

Both are easy to sharpen with a file and a leather strope, Ray will teach you well! Shawn

It took me awhile also. I think the most important thing I learned was after you re do the bevel, don't push real hard.

Sharp is cool, when you can do it, it is even MORE cool.

Ray offering to help the way he did, is TRUE TRADITIONAL ARCHERY!!!!!!!

                     

wensel woodsman broadheads are pretty much all i use.

without a doubt, 3 blade heads are by far much easier to sharpen than 2 blade or 4 blade heads.  

just lay the head down facing forward on a mill bastard file's front end, push down, push forward.  

the 3 blade angle's already figured out for ya - not so with a 2 blade, which is easier to screw up ... unless you have a KME sharpener!            

as far as broadheads not "sharp from the factory" - NEVER EVER expect a broadhead to be sharp.

and what trad bowhunter doesn't have a mill bastard file, and a fine sharpening stone or diamond file and piece of thick stropping leather???  or at least a carbide or ceramic shapener???  that's as important as a bow and arrow!!!  at the very least, yer gonna hafta resharpen those broadheads somewhere down the line ... geez louise!!!

watch charlie lamb show ya how easy is it to get woodsman's hair shaving sharp ....

Wensel Woodsman Sharpening the Easy Way - by Charlie Lamb

if you are "sharpening challenged" just use thunderheads or stingers. Pay your money, change your blades, kill your critters.

I think we owe it to the game we hunt to use the sharpest head hunting,some guys just need the option of a factory sharp head...if I CAN NOT SHAVE WITH BROADHEAD I WILL NOT USE IT HUNTING.....

Whatcha gonna do, put a new BH on everytime ya stick one in the dirt and dull it?

Ya better take Ray up on his offer.

Eric

if you can't razor sharpen yer own broadheads, you shouldn't be hunting.  period.  

come on guyz, this isn't rocket science!  

Wait, there are heads that come "hunting sharp" from the factory? I have never seen a broadhead that was hunting sharp right out of the package.

I belly much easy for to do. Be sure and chalk your file before, though---it helps oodles and gobs.

What Rob said!!

I have always bought glue ons, but bought my first elites last weekend. Got them out of the package and noticed they were a smaler head.

Kinda bummed......

QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
if you can't razor sharpen yer own broadheads, you shouldn't be hunting.  period.  

come on guyz, this isn't rocket science!      

thanks rob. I guess im just an idiot then huh? If you actually read my posts you would see that ive been trying (all day) to get this right. Ive watched the charlie lamb video, ive watched the 3 rivers video! I CANT GET THEM SHARP!! I have no problem with getting any 2 blade razor sharp in minutes. But I guess since I cant sharpen a 3 blade I should quit hunting!?

Thanks for building my confidence Rob! That must be what the trad community is all about huh?!

QuoteOriginally posted by caleb7mm:
 

QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
if you can't razor sharpen yer own broadheads, you shouldn't be hunting.  period.  

come on guyz, this isn't rocket science!      

thanks rob. I guess im just an idiot then huh? If you actually read my posts you would see that ive been trying (all day) to get this right. Ive watched the charlie lamb video, ive watched the 3 rivers video! I CANT GET THEM SHARP!! I have no problem with getting any 2 blade razor sharp in minutes. But I guess since I cant sharpen a 3 blade I should quit hunting!?

Thanks for building my confidence Rob! That must be what the trad community is all about huh?! [/b]

i absolutely can't understand how ANYONE can't sharpen a woodsman to the point of shaving hair off yer arm.  really.

caleb, i'm not saying YOU should give up hunting, but YOU need some one-on-one help that hopefully ray can supply.

i'll say it again - if you trad bowhunt, then you MUST know how to sharpen yer broadheads and have proper broadhead sharpening tools.  this is as important - if not more basically important - than yer bow and arras.

so caleb, if ya can't sharpen a woodsman, at least you know how to sharpen a twin blade, as you've said.  guess yer still good for trad bowhunting.  

Right on caleb7mm some of us work our butts off durning the week 70 hrs some weeks our time is very limited trying  to juggle family responsibles..the 6 hr block of time I GOT LEFT DURNING THE WEEK i want to spend it hunting in the woods ...some of us got small apartments or live in mobile homes and don't have space for any thing else...we just see the need for getting value for our bowhunting money...a touch up with a small stone is one thing ,machineing a proper bevel on a broadhead is another..that we spent our hard earned money we expect more...just a sharp head..for our money I KEEP 5 VERRY SHARP READY TO HUNT HEADS IN MY QUIVER and 3 dull heads to practice with..

QuoteOriginally posted by arky714:
Right on caleb7mm some of us work our butts off durning the week 70 hrs some weeks our time is very limited trying  to juggle family responsibles..the 6 hr block of time I GOT LEFT DURNING THE WEEK i want to spend it hunting in the woods ...some of us got small apartments or live in mobile homes and don't have space for any thing else...we just see the need for getting value for our bowhunting money...a touch up with a small stone is one thing ,machineing a proper bevel on a broadhead is another..that we spent our hard earned money we expect more...just a sharp head..for our money I KEEP 5 VERRY SHARP READY TO HUNT HEADS IN MY QUIVER and 3 dull heads to practice with..

help me understand what you mean, dave.

no matter what broadhead you elect to hunt with, it needs to be sharp.  99%  of all 2, 3 and 4 bladed broadheads come with machine angled blades.  99% of them need sharpening and that sharpening can be done with a 'v' steel sharpener, file, stone, diamond hone, etc.  

even if a broadhead came razor sharp from the factory, yer gonna need to re-sharpen it, no???

what is your point, dave?

Rob.  

Sharpening is not something we instinctively know.  There are little tricks involved that make it or break it.  I can get any two blade head to shave, but I have problems with Woodsmans as well.  

Then we have the issue. .  what is sharp ?  

If it shaves hair off YOUR arm is that sharp ?  What if it won't shave hair off MY arm ?  My arm hair may be more wirey than yours, or whatever.  

Pretty subjective thing.

You are not gonna get a three blade head to be as sharp as the proverbial razor.  That just won't happen, but you should be able to get them sharp.  Even sharp enough to cut your hair.

I think that one factor that is not seen while viewing the videos is the need to be VERY gentle with the strokes on the file and on the stone.  You do not need to press hard at all once you have achieved the right grind.  I personally believe more folks screw it up by pressing too hard than for any other reason.  How do you see that in a video ?

Keep trying Caleb.  Once you do it right, it all falls into place.

ChuckC