It all comes down to those two little words that mean so much.Who Cares!

Mark, were you a Gunner (Gun Boss) by any chance?

ok.........

it sounds to me like quite a few of you are on the same page and some    not so much .    i accept your appology ....now the point i was making is a mental aspect of winning archery/good harvesting. i love to compete,...ive found in my self as well as seen in the majority of others that when one goes to a shoot or any compition for that matter and thier only reason for being there is to win the shoot they are easily defeated . the reason being : they are focused on the final score of thiers and of the others. they loose focus of what is truly important to winning ." that is the shot you are about to make right now."
the shot in the past is gone . unchangeable ,history ...the shots to come are in the future and have no beering on the shot you have to make right now ...the same is ,and should apply in hunting .the animal you missed yesterday has no beering on the one in front of you right now...
what someone else shoots has no beering on what i shoot and how they shoot "should "have no beering on how i shoot.

i enjoy archery .i enjoy hunting.i strive to be the best i can be every time i go out to do either one . and i learn and grow from each experience weather it turnd out the way i wanted it to of not . but ill never let someone else take away from me the time spent nor the lessons learnd by the experiences i get from attending any hunt or archery shoot . they will never have that kind of power in my life . you would have to kill me first . so shoot what you want !!! when you want ,where you want .it has no beering on me ,and what im there to do.

as Forest Gump said " thats all ive got to say about that"  

I am new to recurve shooting as of three months ago. For me, it is this simple.....I am shooting and gaining accuracy to KILL deer.  I really don't think any deeper than that, because my goal is to set up and kill deer as they move past me.

I go to a trad shoot to compete with myself.It does not matter to me what a person shoots.I think it is kind of neat to see different setups.I have no problem shooting a lighter bow at a 3-d shoot. It's all practice as far as I am concerned.

Joey, I remember that shoot; you were shooting a recurve called a Sarenski{sp] and the next time I saw you you were shooting a recurve you made yourself. And you were kind enough to help me hunt for my arrows.
Ronnie is still around and still shoots great and still a true gentileman.

QuoteOriginally posted by joebuck:
Cyclic...based on your comments...Isn't Excluding compounds at a Traditional Shoots be "Elitist attitude" also?.....

What BIG Shoots out there are "bring what you hunt with"?

Joe, I never wish to exclude anyone. Just because I attend a "traditional" shoot doesn't mean I made up the rules.  If a pair of wheels showed up, I would let him shoot. In fact if he needed to join a group, I'd invite him in.

To me having  a good time is the goal. I don't have time to worry about what someone else is doing unless it physically harms or endangers me or others.

If you think that I meant it's a great idea to exclude compounds from another thread, I was more trying to make a point that I do not need to shoot where I wasn't treated as equal in respect to how we are viewed and treated based on our personal choices in equipment.  I was also trying to make a point; I avoid giving business to companies (or clubs) who refuse to treat me with common courtesy and respect.  Would you continue to return to a restaurant that purposely gives you poor service and bad food? If you do that's fine it's a choice, I will not even if I had to go hungry for a day. Perhaps it's a pride thing.

I do think that excluding Compounds from a "Traditional" shoot is "Elitist", however  If I was hosting the shoot I wouldn't ask them to leave, I would simply ask them to have a good time.  Party crashing happens everywhere even at the White house, They weren't escorted out either.

I think if we want to preserve a tradition we need to accept the modern as well as the traditional because if there wasn't compounds and composites and such it would just be archery and not traditional archery in which case we would all be shooting together anyhow. If your targets cannot accommodate a crossbow or the course isn't safe for high power, well then maybe then you have a case to ask them not to shoot.

Let's all be friends    and fling arrows   .

QuoteOriginally posted by Cyclic-Rivers:
Party crashing happens everywhere even at the White house, They weren't escorted out either.

Only because no one knew they were at the party until after the couple posted it on Facebook.  Everyone agrees they should have been escorted out or forbidden from the start.  If you don't keep out compound bows what is the point in calling it a traditional event.  If you aren't going to have rules what is the point in keeping score in any sporting event.  There has to be a line somewhere, this I'm ok, you're ok philosophy isn't really ok when used in real life.  Without rule things go bad pretty fast.

QuoteOriginally posted by joebuck:
.how many of ya'll that posted actually killed a deer last year with a trad. bow ??? [/QB]

Joe Sorry I missed this question, I did not kill a deer last year with my bow. But since I did not get a shot it's kinda tough to kill one.  I could have just lifted my face mask because that probably would have done it.  Seriously though. I only saw 13 deer and didn't get a shot. Partly due to landowner wishes and partly due to the places I hunted. I'm ok with that though because I have a friend that kills a deer for me if I need it with his gun.

Sounds like you were more disgusted with a specific group of archers. That is often why some people chose to shoot alone!

Find a good crew it may change your perspective.

QuoteOriginally posted by Northwest_Bowhunter:

QuoteQUOTE]Only because no one knew they were at the party until after the couple posted it on Facebook.  Everyone agrees they should have been escorted out or forbidden from the start.  If you don't keep out compound bows what is the point in calling it a traditional event.  If you aren't going to have rules what is the point in keeping score in any sporting event.  There has to be a line somewhere, this I'm ok, you're ok philosophy isn't really ok when used in real life.  Without rule things go bad pretty fast. [/b]

I knew someone would bring the fact that no one knew they were there.  Fact of the matter is, no one was in imminent danger.  Could they have been sure!  

I understand the necessity of rules.  They are important.  I never mentioned a compound shooter should be able to compete a t a trad function I simply said I wouldn't keep them form shooting.

If I chose to shoot at  a compound only event and they dint have a trad trophy. It would be my choice to shoot and not have a prize to win. If I didn't accept their terms then I wouldn't choose to shoot.  Here is the way I see it, The club could gain an extra few bucks and I haven't been to many d shoots but, the one or two shooters wouldn't hold up a 3d line much.

Besides what better way to show them what Trad is all about.  I understand discrimination will always exist. It has to! But telling a couple of compound guys they can't shoot a round of 3d because they will out shoot someone is Idiotic barring any safety concerns.  They would just need to explain it is a trad competition and there isn't a prize for them to win.  They can choose to stick around or go.

QuoteOriginally posted by SteveB:
Still want the agreed on definition of the dreaded "target bow".

Near as I can tell, it's any bow used by anyone who beats someone else.  

QuoteOriginally posted by Ben Maher:
 I suppose at a stretch I could see people wearing camo, scent lures and hunting from tree stands as not very trad...
to be honest I couldn't care if you dressed as Bozo the clown and your recurve had a seven foot stabilizer hanging from it as long as you are a good fella / gal , hunt and / or compete with integrity and a and have at least some semblance that this sport under its many varied and wonderful variations is at the very least meant to be fun.
Ben "traditional archer who bowhunts " Maher

  Funny, but I agree whole heartedly!!!

I guess I am both and neither. I don't not consider myself "Traditional". I am a recurve shooter, period. I shoot tournaments and hold my own no matter who is there. I also hunt and bring home the bacon when I chose to shoot.

Too many people are caught up in this "Traditional or not Traditional" crap. We need to realize we are all hunters whether we use stick bows, compounds or guns. United we stand, divided we fall. If one of us loses something we have all lost something.

who cares..just shoot.

A target bow is any bow that's string has extra serving tied on top of serving under a metal string nock to hold their arrow nock up.!?! A real  bowhunter simply uses his or hers index or middle finger snugly under the nock of the arrow to hold up      

Joe,

Wasn't this thread about "Bring what you hunt with"?

Naw, it's about seeing how many feathers you can ruffle while laughing at the screen.

Oh? Well, heck then.

Go Obama!

I think Obama shoots a 35# target bow.............

Obama is healthy, I bet he can pull 55 or so.