anybody using regular muzzys like pictured below rather than a cut on contact head?  I dont notice much penitration difference in my foam targets between the two.  

my good buddy used them last year with good success.  Took a 20 yards running shot on the buck and was a tad bit forward.  Arrow still went through the front shoulder.

I still use Muzzys occasionally and I've always had good results with them hunting but when I practice with them it seems like a lot more of my target ends up in the broadhead than with a solid steel Montec.  Have you noticed it in your foam targets?

A friend of mine shot a buck in Kansas useing a 40 pound recurve, a Muzzy 3 blade,and 450 gr. carbon arrow. It was a 15 yard shot, boths lungs and the deer went 20 yards. He had dropped down in poundage because of some health issues. Shot placement is the key. I have some Muzzy and Thunderheads I may give a try. I like 2 blades, but alot of deer have been taken with Muzzy's.

I left out that my buddy that shot through that front shoulder was shooting a 45# recurve.  When I was 15 and I shot my first deer I was using a 40# recurve, and just about a 400 grain arrow tiped with a thunderhead.  But they are cut on contact.  I dont think that little gap will make much of a difference?

Yes I have noticed they tear up foam on removal.. I dont shoot them until right before season.  They just fly so good compared to anything else.  Plus their cheap and replacement blades are super cheap.

I killed a lot of stuff with trad bows with the muzzy 3 blade 125 heads several years ago including a boar over 250 pounds. I shoot fairly light weight bows around 50-52@27 and never had penetration problems.Be sweet if the made a 220 grain 3 blade.RC

I'm going to be trying the standard Muzzy 4 blades in the very near future...

I don't like them for any setup, trad or compound.  They seem to delicate and break a bit easily.  I like Phantom SS bh's, but the bleeders break easily IMO... I put them on Axis shafts and if they hit something hard, the bleeders slide down onto the shaft, damaging it... So I shoot Muzzy Phantom SS without bleeders.  I may try a washer with the bleeders this summer, but I think I am going with Abowyer single bevels or Woodsman Elites at 200 grs.

I believe the design of the old muzzy was intended for recurves.

I have used them and the fly great. Unfortunately, I did crowd the shoulder on a particular broadside shot and did not get through the shoulder. I have not used them since.

QuoteOriginally posted by BobCo 1965:
I believe the design of the old muzzy was intended for recurves.

I have used them and the fly great. Unfortunately, I did crowd the shoulder on a particular broadside shot and did not get through the shoulder. I have not used them since.

My 50# super diablo was shooting a 600 grain wood arrow with a zwikey(sp) 2 blade and I only made it about 1" penitration past the back of the broadhead on a 15 yard shoulder shot.

Shoulder shots are not going to work out well unless your using some howard hill equiptment.

Erik: I solved the bleeder blade problem with the Phantoms on Axis shafts by footing them. The footing offers a lot more advantages than for just using the Phantoms.

Or instead of wasting all the extra time that goes into footing them Easton sells a broadhead adapter ring, that goes behind the broadhead- exactly for this reason.  they are not expensive either

I killed a longbeard with a 125 Muzzy that I had laying around this past May.  It did the job.

You can call Muzzys a lot of things, but "fragile" isn't one that comes to my mind...

Although I didn't use them much with compounds, once I blew a 4 blade 130 grain Muzzy completely through the knuckle(completely destroying it), body, and offside of a mule deer at 30 yards, and all that happened to it was one blade bent. I was so impressed I kept it as a curiosity.

I don't think I'll worry much about penetration or breaking if I decide to give then a try with my recurves...

I know everyone stresses cut on contact for penitration but those cut trocar tips are sharp. Also I have used magnus 2 blades and the tips curl when they hit bone. I would think the curl would be worse than the trocar.

P-Man, what you do with the Magnus 2 blade is cut or grind the tip back about 2/16"-3/16" then file it square like an old Razorhead...

I consider the trocar to be cut on contact . . . or I guess it is really poke on contact and then cut?  No it is still cutting right, or isnt it, te he . . .  I would definatly say that a curl would be worse!

Muzzy sells the rings for the axis shafts and they are a lot cheaper then getting them from Easton. I think muzzy's price for 12 is $3.