The first 2008 Update is now posted. It, and the next few Updates to follow, should be of interest to those hunting with lighter draw weight bows.

Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow

Cool...cant wait to read it...heading there now!

Very interesting reading.... looking forward to part 2!

Doc., thank you so much for all the work you have done.  You seem to have shown that EFOC decreases arrow deflection on impact minimizing resistance while improving penetration.  Have you considered comparing a cut past center bow that would have similar performance to your present equipment but with a much stiffer arrow that would also decrease deflection on impact?  In addition, will we be getting details on your IF?

Michael, the IF information is in the 'Perfect Arrow" thread that O.L started a while back. I've brought it to the top for you.

Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow

Mr Ashby glad to see you back on line. I hope all is well with your back and you are feeling better. I just got my issue of TBM and cant wait to read your report, thanks for all your input.

Thanks Rick, the back is better, but I'm dealing with a new set of problems. They picked up a Grade 7 prostate cancer on a physical I had in May. I've been getting daily radiation treatments for the last several weeks, and will be getting them daily up until sometime near Christmas. It's only thanks to TG member Galen Benson that I have any internet access. I'd never met Galen, but he drove several hundred miles just to loan me his old laptop. Now if that doesn't restore a fellow's belief, I don't know what will.

Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow

Very easy to believe, another tradgang member going the distance to help out,not a better bunch around.

Thanx for sharing. Wish you the best of health.

Wishing you the best with your health challenges.

Question though - I can't find the posting. Can someone direct me to the link?

Thanx

You are sure to have the thoughts of everyone here.

Take care.

The information you have shared, helped ease my mind when it came time for my young sons to bowhunt.

I learned alot, and continue to do so.

For all your efforts...thank you.

Good luck with the treatments Doc...prayers sent your way from NY

Here you go Gary, a direct link.

http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=24;t=000014

Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow

Dr. Ashby, I don't remember if you have ever tested Self bows in any of your tests, but do you think you could do one or 2? I enjoy the tests you have done on many BH's and other bows and on some of the biggest game.

Oops, thanx, my bad. Was there and read 2008 update but was thinking 2009 in my mind and didn't open to read the content.

Thanx again

Sal, I haven't conducted any testing with self bows. The testing is directed towards arrows, rather than the bow that launched them. The arrow doesn't know what type of bow launched it. I just use different bows to test at different levels of arrow force. Regardless of bow type, if the arrow comes off with equal force (and is equally well tuned) the terminal performance will be the same. There are plenty of self bows out there that are fully capable of taking buffalo size game .... with the right arrow.

That, however, is not to say I don't have an interest in the so called "primitive" bows. I have Part 1 of a two part article on the bows and arrows of Papua New Guinea in the current issue of Primitive Archer. The arrows will be in Part 2, and there some real thought provoking things in the arrow section of the article.

By the way, those PNG natives, using their "primitive bows" and "primitive arrows" hunt with far better success than 99%+ of us 'moderns" ... but, as the article will show, perhaps their arrows are, in many ways, a lot less "primitive" than what most "moderns" are using today!

Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow

Thanks Dr. for clearing that up. I just figured on asking since this thread is called "40# Recurve and a Buffalo" So asking about a self bow that most say is 10-15 lighter for arrow spine then glass/Lam bows, is why I asked my question. But Your post answered it for me... Again Thanks.

My pleasure, Sal

Ed
TGMM Family of the Bow