Hello all.

I have a questions for ASAT and Predator camo users.

Which would work best in coniferous forests as well? I turkey hunt in a primary successional forest dominated by cedar trees and was trying to decide on which camo would work best.

Any opinions welcome.

thanks,
 Tom.

Six and two threes, to be honest.

I prefer the older Predator patterns (Spring Green/Fall Grey) over the new Deceptions & Evolution, but either Predator or ASAT will work fine.
Both are exceptional patterns for breaking up your outline. Try a Predator top, ASAT pants for a great breakup effect!

I like the theory, animals are brown not green - anyway - ASAT has a special on the Ultimate Jacket (returns or whatever) This is the best Archery Jacket I have ever owned (and I have owned a few) it was almost half price as of last week.

I have to agree with rob. I think they are both good patterns.  

I am however a predator deception fan. I think that it is a very diverse pattern. They fall grey is a very good pattern as well though.

ASAT may be one of the most versitale patterns out there.

As Rob said mix and match them and you can vanish almost anywhere.

Where is Predator made? ASAT is made in China. Does that make an effective difference?

My predator jacket says Made in USA.  My predator pants says made in the Phillipines.  I'd take them over china anyday.

I have plenty of Predator. The only problem I have is the small pockets. I can not get either hand in the pockets of my bomber jacket and the pants pockets are so shallow you loose your change climbing a tree. The pattern is great.

Buy your ASAT from Day One if you want it made in the US of A.

I personally use ASAT but either will work for you.

Here's a shocker....

I'll tell you the same thing the others have.  They'll both work well in most any environment.

My opinion will obviously be biased (being on the ASAT hunting staff), but the Vanish Pro leafy suit is a garment that shouldn't be overlooked.  I'll likely wear mine on 75% or more of my 2009 hunts.

The open patterns of the world get my nod....and there's a few out there.  Your two choices are sound.

Good luck.

I know you"re asking about two specific patterns, but I like the Cabelas outfitter.  Its greenish, blends in with a lot of different areas.  I have the wool, don't know what the other fabrics look like.

QuoteOriginally posted by GMMAT:
, but the Vanish Pro leafy suit is a garment that shouldn't be overlooked.
Good luck.

I've got that... The biggest shocker was the hawk bouncing around the trees around me trying to figure out what I was... (Hawks do see colors..). but until I moved waving him off, he was bouncing all around making sounds sorta like a chicken at 3-7 yds... I personally like it alot!

Never used Predator, but I think either would work well...

Thank you for all the input.

I wasn't sure if ASAT worked best in an environment primarily made up of vertical branches and trunks whereas the cedar forest would be more "blobish" (does that make sense?) which may be better suited for the Predator pattern.

Anyway, thanks again.

Tom.

Both work exceedingly well.  I've got a bunch of the old Predator (SG and FG), and like it over the Deception pattern.

ASAT's just as good - the Predator was on clearance sale when I picked it up.

QuoteOriginally posted by kbetts:
I know you"re asking about two specific patterns, but I like the Cabelas outfitter.  Its greenish, blends in with a lot of different areas.

That right there is your problem. Well, not you specifically, but the general problem with camo stuff.

It's green.

In our eye, that means it blends in with other greens.

Deer don't see green!

If you want to really see how good your camo is, get a buddy to photograph you wearing it in a hunting environment & then change it in photoshop to black & white. Cabelas Outfitter suddenly becomes a human shaped, grey blob that stands out like a sore thumb.

Colour really, really, really doesn't matter. Contrast between shades is what we're after people!

If you take the Predator Spring green & Fall Brown & look at them in 'deer colours' (monochrome) they're actually almost identical & not too fussy. You have a reall good blend of grey, white & black, with not too much of any one shade. Try that with Realtree or Mossy Oak; Big, Grey, Blob.

Contrast, contrast, contrast!

Deer also don't see in black and white.

Studies on deer vision suggest that deer see much as a human with red-green color blindness.
Deer lack the red "cone" that allows us to see red and orange colors.

"I have plenty of Predator. The only problem I have is the small pockets. I can not get either hand in the pockets of my bomber jacket and the pants pockets are so shallow you loose your change climbing a tree. The pattern is great."

Does anyone else have a sodapop machine near their tree? just curious. LOL, no offense I have done this also and wondered why I carried change with me.  Don't any more.

All those camo ads remind me of those pet food commercials with all that "gravy and real beef broth du jour etc." Very appealing to humans but the animals don't view "food" (colors) the same way and people end up paying WAY too much money not recognizing that! I'm with Rob-just break up the pattern-red, green, orange-it doesn't have to look like a real leaf or a real tree (pun intended). I still know guys who just grab a flannel shirt from the closet and some dark pants and get it done. Just look for a good deal and buy either. Mix and match-even better.

QuoteOriginally posted by Slasher:
 

QuoteOriginally posted by GMMAT:
, but the Vanish Pro leafy suit is a garment that shouldn't be overlooked.
Good luck.

I've got that... The biggest shocker was the hawk bouncing around the trees around me trying to figure out what I was... (Hawks do see colors..). but until I moved waving him off, he was bouncing all around making sounds sorta like a chicken at 3-7 yds... I personally like it alot!


Never used Predator, but I think either would work well... [/b]

Had the feather wind detector on the tip of my bow (held about 6" from my face) attacked by a hawk.  What camo pattern was I wearing?  I was in a brown Ron LeClair Longhunter Shirt and had on green wool pants.  So much for the "ultimate new patterns and designs".  Yes, I do own camo, but only due to the fact that a nicely made (read: it fit me) piece of outdoor clothing was only available in a camo print.  It likely helps, but there are other options and methods.  If it helps your confidence, it is worth it.

Sorry, but it was my turn to play "George"   :p