Arrows are lethal, even field points.  However, some people enjoy the exercise of figuring out what is the absolutely most lethal setup in the most situations, even if any standard setup will work the majority of the time.  And sure, rifle and hand guns have better penetration, but i've never had as much fun in years of shooting them as I've had the last few months learning traditional archery.  It's a blast and I can do it in my back yard.  I want to start hunting traditional.  I'm just one of those guys who likes to read about everything and talk things to death and beat dead horses etc.  Also, in lieu of actually hunting, thinking about it and worrying about my setup is as close as I'm getting right now  

"On the other hand, when you hunt where I do most of my hunting, it's not possible to know what the next critter is going to be- a 90 lb whitetail or a 450 lb hog."

Ray....I'd like to order up one of the 450lb. variety.         I'll be shooting 175 gr. Grizzly Stik single bevels with 75 gr. brass inserts.  Thus far, they have been flying very well.  I'll see ya in July for the Hog Sweat!




Tim

Iron,
I've killed 3 deer w/ 160gr Grizzly's and they  no way compare to a Snuffer of the same gr weight w/ liver and paunch shots.Spent to many hours looking for blood w/ narrow 2 blade heads on shots to far back.
If you shoot the center of a whitetail w/ a SHARP 145/160gr Snuffer.Your chance and time of recovery are far better than w/ any 2 blade.
I also believe,deer size game shot in the scapula have a better survival rate when  hit w/ 3 blade heads.
 Myself and bother-inlaw have hit whitetail and a blackbear to far in front w/ Snuffer and WW and have caught them later on trailcams or they where killed later in the season.Because of this my bro-inlaw has gone back to grizzly's and has shot whitetails to far in front a few times and have found 2 of deer days later by buzzards.There wasn't enough sign to track the fatally hit deer.
As you can see.My bro-inlaw is ia shoulder crowdwer and shoots 2 blades and I'm a center shooter and like big Snuffers.Each to their own

"Having one broadhead in your quiver for this and another for something else just doesn't seem practical to me."

I had made my own BH's that have a couple problems first they are NOT cost effective in the way I made them which leads to the 2nd problem...I'm afraid to shoot them from ground level LOL since I don't wanna loose them.Perhaps some of the silver flame guys or ashby guys feel the same about their costly heads

So far I've not seen any differance in impact from my own heads (1.25 dia 3 blade),the big 160gr snuffers,big 2blade magnus1, and the WW they ALL hit the same.I guess maybe switching arrows a crunch time isn't practical but they all fly the same so it's really not a big deal sometimes there is a practical reason to have more than 1 BH in your quiver you really don't wanna know how much my own heads would hafta cost LOL they would make silver flames look cheap

On a really BIG buck, I tend to shoot at the antlers. A single-bevel two-blade splits antler better than anything.

QuoteOriginally posted by IronCreekArcher:
.  I think the rotation factor of the head causes it to create hemorrage similar to that of a multiblade  

And I don't think so.

Have fun guys!          

QuoteAnd I don't think so.
 

Me too.  :D  

Narrow is still narrow no matter which way you turn it and it still will not cut any more that it's width.  

Make it three...  

Terry, James & Curt----I don't "think" so but have you tried them? Sorry guys but I had to ask. Since I shoot low poundage bows I'm very interested in broadhead penetration and performance.

"On a really BIG buck, I tend to shoot at the antlers. A single-bevel two-blade splits antler better than anything."

Ya mean if I'd have had a single bevel griz instead on a double bevel magnus 2 blade I mite have half the rack of the buck I shot at last yr            

as for the rotation causeing more hemorrage    :confused:    :confused:    not sure bout that but my double bevel and my 3 blade heads both tend to turn as they go thru things,I thought it was because of the original rotation

Technechally the original ?? had nothing to do with preferance or even which do we prefer. Doc A answered the ? with extensive testing not personal preferance.

I personally don't use a single bevel 2 blade but I'm not going after cape buff either

No I have not used one.For the animals I hunt I have no need for shooting smaller broadheads than what I am useing.I find it hard to believe a 1" wide broadhead no matter the bevel is going to cut as much as my 2" wide treesharks of a 160 snuffer however.The toughest thing I hunt is hogs.I have no trouble with them with my tresharks.Even when I have screwed up and hit the leg bone on a big one the treeshark broke the leg just like it does on deer.I don't care what anyone shoots for any reason they want to but little broadheads will just not cut as much or as big of a hole as one twice it's size.  

If rotation caused the head to cut the same amount of tissue as a multi blade, there would be the same drag and therefore the same penetration of a multi blade.

You never get something for nothing.

I don't think that's strictly true, if the rotation is giving the same length of cut, then the heads would seem to have the same drag.  I believe Ashby's explanation for the better penetration is the splitting of tissue caused by the rotation, causing less drag on the rest of the shaft.  e.g. the single bevel rotates, cracking the bone, causing a big gap for the rest of the arrow.  
That being said, i don't think cut length is the only factor in increasing the chance of  damaging arteries, liver, etc.  At any given spot, the two blade is flat, and could be passing right by an artery.  Hard to imagine a multi blade head doing that.  I have no basis for this other than what I'm picturing in my head.  

If you cut the same amount of tissue, the broadhead is going to experience the same amount of drag.  There is no way aroung that.

I doubt Dr. Asby would suggest that any two blade configuration causes less shaft pinch than a multi blade head, but I haven't read the report.

Cut length is only part of the damage game, although IMHO it's the most important part until you are passign through regularly.

QuoteOriginally posted by goblism:
[QB] Well I kind of want to avoid 3 blade broadheads, plus those are a lot more expensive than the 2-blades i have been looking at.  But I have been thinking about the woodsman, just not sure on that 3-blade.

Seems like you are onto some decent heads. I have yet to put any head through any game animal, but I have read great things about the ones you have mentioned.

I know it has been stated before, but your draw length, bow weight, and arrow set up(diameter, FOC) will all play into the penetration issue, as will whatever animal you are hunting. A properly tuned arrow will out penetrate a poorly tuned arrow by tenfold.

Good luck, and shoot straight.

I wasn't disputing the drag caused by the head, i only put "seems" in my post because i'd never though about it until you said it  

However, if broadhead drag is the sole determining factor, all else being equal, then a double bevel broadhead should penetrate further because it won't rotate like the single bevel and therefore will cut less and have less drag.  So there must be something else at work.  I'm pretty sure Dr. Ashby did mention less drag on the shaft as an explanation, but I need to go back and look.

Now that I think about it he also mentioned that having a shaft diameter smaller than that of the ferrule as another factor that increases penetration.

QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
 

QuoteOriginally posted by IronCreekArcher:
.  I think the rotation factor of the head causes it to create hemorrage similar to that of a multiblade  

And I don't think so.
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I'm with Terry on this one!

QuoteOriginally posted by bduran:
I wasn't disputing the drag caused by the head, i only put "seems" in my post because i'd never though about it until you said it    

However, if broadhead drag is the sole determining factor, all else being equal, then a double bevel broadhead should penetrate further because it won't rotate like the single bevel and therefore will cut less and have less drag.  So there must be something else at work.  I'm pretty sure Dr. Ashby did mention less drag on the shaft as an explanation, but I need to go back and look.

Shaft drag has a huge effect, but single or double bevel isn't going to reduce that much.  The shaft still has to follow a single cut through the body cavity.