Otto, I agree, Been shootin CX Heritage 250's out of everything I own, L/B, Recurve, Hybrid, cut to center, past center, 1/8'' From center mid to high 50#'s 30'' long standard insert, 145 to 175 grn. tip ,, No problems,, Arrows are heavy enough at 10 grn./lb. All this wt. up front I dont get ...

You guys are just special, that's all.    

Maybe it's just my Very Clean Release ........

AdamH

I uh...er...cough cough...I ah..cough... got me one of them clean, cough, releases too!!!!!

Otto and Adam, I'm with you guys.  My ~46# bows shoot  GT3555's full length with 185grs on the tip.


My 55# bows like 4560's cut to 30" with 185grs also, my 60# bow shoot 4560's with just 125gr, or 6075's with 225grs.

I tried a carbon with the weight/spine combinations others have suggested and they were always way too weak.  

I believe the string material, bow performance level, and release all effect this.  I'll stay with my overspined carbons.  

Below is a msg I sent to CX and their response.  I was using the 4560's in two different Harrison longbows of 66 and 60 pounds at my draw of 27".

I had to use 50 and 100 grain inserts and shoot them at 29.5" to get good flight.

Maybe you can talk to them too.

Larry


Larry,

The reason you are having a hard time finding the terminator hunter 4560's is because they have been discontinued for a couple years.  I would recommend using our Heritage 250 as that arrow is the same weight but a little bit stiffer spine.  The old terminator hunter 4560's where a .388 spine the Heritage 250 is a .373 spine.  Please feel free to give me a call if you have any questions.

Greg
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From:Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:21 PM
To: Ken Cooper; contact; Greg Jones; Brian Wright
Subject: Replacements for carbonexpress terminator hunter 45/60 shafts.

Below is the result of your feedback form.   Tuesday, December 23, 2008 at
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Web Site From: Carbon Express Arrows Contact Request

message: I have been using them for my longbows.  It has been both difficult and expensive to get good flight out of my bow w/carbons.  I have managed to do so with the above and find them nearly impossible to acquire any more.  What do you have that has about the same weight and spine?

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LKH

Wasilla Alaska eh???

Tell Sarah I said hello.

I know her dad a bit.  Nice fella.  Never met her.

Adam and Otto,,You guys are cracking me up..LOL..I've shot carbons without the big up front weight and they flew great. I shoot a 60# fire fly and a 51# pitsley predator. I can shoot a radial X weave pro 300's out of the 60# bow with 225 grains up front,,shoots great,,put them in my predator and they fly terrable. The preadator really likes a 3555 gold tip "full length" with 175 up front, 50 gr brass insert. See I'm in the same boat as you, I have 125 grain stingers for my Bh's and I like them alot and I worked arrow setups around my braudheads. I can also shoot these gold tips out of my 60# bow and they fly really quick. As for arrow weight I'm safe with the game I hunt, whitetail and turkey, and other small game. I beleive that an arrow that is way to weak is worst off than an arrow to stiff. I guess what I'm saying  is that an arrow that can not recover from parodox efficiently is worst off than an arrow that corrects from it prematurly. Plus center cut should give you some leeway to play with. Adam and Otto are right as is everyone else with their knowledge of arrow spine and deflection,,Lots of great info in this thread, try to take it in and pick it apart and have fun with it don't get to wrapped up in it.   As far as having things on hand you can go to the classifieds and get some 50 and 100 grains brass inserts, weight tubes, if you can't find them there find them in the sponsors area and just have it ready for when your new bow arrives. By the way those dorrado's are really nice bows, what model did you get camo or black and maple?

If you just use the shaft selector at Easton archery and have a bow cut past center with ff string it is pretty easy to pick arrows.Just use the modern longbow for the impute instead of recurve and they will work just fine.The confusion with carbons always comes when people want to load the front or try and get super heavy arrow weights for bows.jmo

btw..the selector says you need a 500spine.The heritage 150 is a little stiffer so you should be able to go up to a 175gn point or possibly even a 200.That will be planty of weight for a 50lb bow. jmo again.