Broadhead Failure...

James Wrenn · February 11, 2009, 10:12:00 AM

Well after shooting broadheads from different bows for 30 years I have only had one falure.A magnus decided it had rather be shaped like a fish hook instead of a broadhead when I hit the wrong spot.

I have had a blade come off thunderheads when the arrow stayed in and it unscrewed as the deer was running.I have bent broadheads that hit rocks after passing through a deer or on a miss.I don't consider those failures of the broadhead.jmo

Biggie Hoffman · February 11, 2009, 10:25:00 AM

Back when I was more "politically" active instead of just bitching like I do now; I was collecting failed expandables in order to try and show the DNR that they were unacceptable and should be outlawed.
It didn't take long to fill a shoebox and all of them were compound guys.
I guess that's apples and oranges really.

As far as a head failing because it hit a rock or a barrell, no-one REALLY considers that a failure do they? I mean, your head will split open if it hits a rock at 180fps but I wouldn't consider the skull failing.

NDTerminator · February 11, 2009, 11:08:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Guru:

QuoteOriginally posted by NDTerminator:
For the record I'm a proponent of lighter weight arrows (10-11 GPP) on medium sized game when hunting with my recurves, and lighter weight 2 blade broadheads...
10-11gpp lighter weight????? [/b]

Yes, they are very light by many guys standards. My completed arrows are 520-530 grains...

BUFF · February 11, 2009, 11:12:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Biggie Hoffman:

As far as a head failing because it hit a rock or a barrell, no-one REALLY considers that a failure do they? I mean, your head will split open if it hits a rock at 180fps but I wouldn't consider the skull failing.

Daddy Bear · February 11, 2009, 11:26:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by NDTerminator:

QuoteOriginally posted by Guru:

QuoteOriginally posted by NDTerminator:
For the record I'm a proponent of lighter weight arrows (10-11 GPP) on medium sized game when hunting with my recurves, and lighter weight 2 blade broadheads...
10-11gpp lighter weight????? [/b]
Yes, they are very light by many guys standards. My completed arrows are 520-530 grains... [/b]

I find our differing ideals of arrow weight interesting in these threads. One persons idea of light is anothers idea of heavy. Almost like left and right leanings in politics.

I've always considered 55-65pound hunting bows shooting 9-11gpp hunting arrows to be right down the middle of the road medium. Going under this is headed towards the lighter side, and going over this is headed towards the heavier side. 10-11gpp hunting arrows are definitely lighter than 14-16gpp hunting arrows, but I wouldn't consider the former to be light weights:)

NDTerminator · February 11, 2009, 11:47:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Daddy Bear:

QuoteOriginally posted by NDTerminator:

QuoteOriginally posted by Guru:

quote:
Originally posted by NDTerminator:
For the record I'm a proponent of lighter weight arrows (10-11 GPP) on medium sized game when hunting with my recurves, and lighter weight 2 blade broadheads...
10-11gpp lighter weight????? [/b]
Yes, they are very light by many guys standards. My completed arrows are 520-530 grains... [/b]
I find our differing ideals of arrow weight interesting in these threads. One persons idea of light is anothers idea of heavy. Almost like left and right leanings in politics.

I've always considered 55-65pound hunting bows shooting 9-11gpp hunting arrows to be right down the middle of the road medium. Going under this is headed towards the lighter side, and going over this is headed towards the heavier side. 10-11gpp hunting arrows are definitely lighter than 14-16gpp hunting arrows, but I wouldn't consider the former to be light weights:)

Very true. I've been taken to task on a number of occasions for not adding a bunch of weight to carbons and using 125 grain points/broadheads. My only concession with carbons is I use 50 grain brass inserts rather than just alums. If Magnus built a 2 blade 150 grain I would fore go the brass inserts. So being, they happen to come out to about 525 grains, roughly 530 when I add wraps. This is what I shoot from 50#-#55...

pseman · February 11, 2009, 12:17:00 PM

Magnus makes the Stinger in 150gr 2 blade.

I have never had a broadhead failure or seen any of my friends have one. This includes mostly compound kills. I have heard many stories of expandable failures though. With the exception of expandables, I doubt there is much difference in failure rates between compound or traditional bowhunters.

I shot Muzzy 3-blade broadheads for nearly twenty years from my compound at much greater speeds and you could shoot just about anything short of a brick wall and it would hold up very well .

NDTerminator · February 11, 2009, 12:46:00 PM

Yes, I know about the 150 grain Stinger. I should have been more clear, I want a 150 grain 2 blade resharpenable. I can't imagine it would be very hard to do...

buckeye_hunter · February 11, 2009, 08:38:00 PM

I reallly like the 150 grain 2 blade stinger. It's what I have on my arrows.

-Charlie

Gordon martiniuk · February 11, 2009, 08:51:00 PM

I also shot a few Broadheads into Big Game animals and I never had a failure of ferrule mabe the odd bent blade with compounds I think arrows fly straighter with compounds than trad gear thats why they hold up!

Sharpster · February 11, 2009, 08:54:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by NDTerminator:
Yes, I know about the 150 grain Stinger. I should have been more clear, I want a 150 grain 2 blade resharpenable. I can't imagine it would be very hard to do...

Jon,

The Stinger is one of the easiest heads out there to re-sharpen.

Ron

Mo. Huntin · February 11, 2009, 09:48:00 PM

I think it is like someone said there are so many of us on this site from all over the world and taking that into consideration we are not seeing that many failures. We are teaching each other with the tonto tips and such to make our equiptment better. I have killed a lot of animals with a compound and me and the people I hunt with don't expect those broadheads to shoot into huge chunks of bone and still kill the animal. If you hit that shoulder you screwed up and you don't expect a broadhead to make up for your mistake. I understand you are prepararing for the worst case but a broadhead can only be expected to do so much

sagebrush · February 12, 2009, 12:30:00 AM

I've had several failures over the years. They were all the modular type heads with replaceable blades. I switched to zwickeys deltas twenty years ago and haven't had one since. Gary

NDTerminator · February 12, 2009, 11:06:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Sharpster:

QuoteOriginally posted by NDTerminator:
Yes, I know about the 150 grain Stinger. I should have been more clear, I want a 150 grain 2 blade resharpenable. I can't imagine it would be very hard to do...
Jon,

The Stinger is one of the easiest heads out there to re-sharpen.

Ron [/b]

I know, but they cost twice as much as standard Magnus 2 blades. I refuse to pay upwards of $10 a piece for broadheads...

Skipmaster1 · February 12, 2009, 11:36:00 AM

Many heads compound guys shoot have beefy chisel tips instead of COC points. that alone makes them tougher on impacts. I also believe that a well tuned compound shot by and average shooter will have a much truer flying arrow than a well tuned trad bow by an average shooter. The truer the arrow flight the more direct the impact will be on the center of the head. if the arrow isn't hiiting 100% straight the head will be taking more abuse

NDTerminator · February 12, 2009, 12:16:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Skipmaster1:
Many heads compound guys shoot have beefy chisel tips instead of COC points. that alone makes them tougher on impacts. I also believe that a well tuned compound shot by and average shooter will have a much truer flying arrow than a well tuned trad bow by an average shooter. The truer the arrow flight the more direct the impact will be on the center of the head. if the arrow isn't hiiting 100% straight the head will be taking more abuse

Now that makes a lot of sense...