and have to doctor them up so they last!

I can't believe the manufactures or some entrepreneur hasn't come up with an insert that is one piece and selves the outside at the same time.

I had two good ideas before like this and actually did they research and found it took about 10K to get it off the ground because I needed molds made. This would be a little cheaper.

You watch a year from now someone will be making them. Problem is the manufacture should include them or fix the mushroom problem for a $100 a dozen!

Thoughts...

Trophy ridge makes a carbon arrow with a brass insert that foots the arrow.

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Thx..was just checking them out..not much info on the insert it's self(ie weight)and the arrows are light. We need those for Gold Tips, Carbon Wood's Beman's, AD's ect.

Priced any premium woodies lately?

My ADs last longer as well.

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Yep just order some Douglas Fir from Raptor. $40 sure beats the $90 some odd $$$ I paid for my Bemans. But yeah my Bemans will be around long after I broke all the woodies.

Just ordered some of the AD hammerheads from him too.

I shoot GT trad blems for $41 a dozen.  Only break ones that are my fault.  Mostly hard side glances off hard surfaces.  Straight on hasn't been a problem.  Cost is cheap and shoot as well as I do.  Try Sipsey River.

"Why do we have to pay high $$ for carbons..."


Because there is a world wide shortage of carbon fiber right now.  

The start up tooling costs are very high.  

Coming up wth a design that balances straightness, spine, weight and still be able make it for a price that the market will bear.

So I guess if you have a way to strengthen or fix them, your money ahead.  Seems like just about everthing is costing more lately.    :rolleyes:

High dollars for carbons? Shop around, you might find them cheaper. Can you buy aluminums or woods for $35 dz? You can get carbons for that price. When you factor in how tough they are, carbons are the cheapest shaft material out there.
and......30 years ago $35 was cheap price for aluminums. The Microflites were about $50 or so. Back then gas was about $0.28 a gallon. We all complained when gas went to $0.30 gal! Oh how times have changed!

The last carbon shafts I bought were Beman ICS Ventures for under $30/dozen. Ths was a few months ago, but I've been shooting ICS shafts for several years now and never had to "doctor" them up in any way. I know some folks have problems with breaking Axis-type shafts due to the "hidden" inserts, but I've never seen a reason to foot a carbon shaft that takes regular inserts.

I just bought a dozen of the Carbonwoods from Sipsey River, they had them on special for 48.00 shipped to your door.  Cant beat that.  When you factor in the cost of woodies, sealer, nocks, all the stuff that goes with making a woody id be willing to bet the prices arent too far off.

If a design that you are thinking of comes to mind it would be a machining nightmare in one piece. If it was two piece you can just do what folks on here already do. I have made products before that reinvent the wheel they don't sell very well. Also the trad. picture is not very big in the grand scheme of the archery market. Also we are kinda cheap when it comes to some things.

I don't think it would be hard to do, in fact it has been done. Not an insert, per se, but a ferrule that goes on the front of the arrow to protect it. I saw those on some fiberglass arrows from the past. I'll bet that wouldn't be prohibitive from a cost standpoint, either.

of course, you can foot the shaft with a section of 2117 or something for next to nothing.

QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Priced any premium woodies lately?

My ADs last longer as well.

Terry....Thats for sure  :eek:

The only time I break a carbon is when it is abused.Mostly because I have missed my target and hit a glancing blow on something.The only other times is when you robinhood one.My carbons cost half of what my wood arrows cost and last many,many times longer.Carbon arrows are the most cost effective material they is if you add it all up.I am hunting this year with 8 of the original dozen carbon arrows I bought over 10 years ago.Each has killed several animals and been shot from at least a dozen bows over that time.Carbons are the cheapest thing I use for hunting.

I agree with James.  Cheapest, and most durable arrows I have ever used.

Carbons are way cheaper in the long run.  A set of carbons will last me almost indefinitely.  Woodies are expensive, a lot of hard work and wear out after about 20-40 shots.  Aluminums wear out after about 75-100 shots.  James is right on!!!!  

Brett

The last woodies I bought from Troy Breeding were $90 firs....dipped, crested, and fletched.

I still got most of em, cause I don't stump shoot with them.

I just bought a dozen firs from jlnft, Joe Lorenzon.  They are stained, dipped, crested and half of them have 125 gr field points on them.  They cost me $84.00 shipped to my door.  They are gorgeous and fly like darts out of my Dye recurve.  That's a 596 gr arrow out of a 54# bow.  I'll have to see how they fly out of my 49# Dye when I receive the bow back from Rich Lopez (droptine59) in 8 to 12 weeks.

Bill

If your wearing your aluminums out in 75-100 shots then something is seriously wrong, Ive got aluminums Ive been shooting for 5 yrs. and untold thousands of shots, been refletched 6-7 times each, only thing that usually tears them up is a glancing hit on tree, target frame, robinhood or a big rock.  

You take a Carbon and add a 100 grain Brass insert, and that will pretty much beef up the tip area....
   And I have actualy refletched carbons, never done that with wood or Aluminums....
   Alot of good Carbons for around $50 a DZ.