how can you establish a deep hook with the american leathery kangaroo or bigshot gloves? its near impossible

Buy a different glove.

I've been using a Neet glove that allows me to still feel the string, yet use a deep hook.

the one with the leather tips?

I switched gloves to the neet glove because of the same issue...then I switched to a 3 under tab.  The tab is the way to go for a deep hook imo!

I worked Montana Pitch Blend into the fingers of my Full Shot - a few times- it broke in after a while. Takes some time though.
I haven't shot the gloves you have; do the inserts interfere with your hook? If so, you can remove them.

I use a Bear Master glove with no problems. It has a single thickness leather without any seam or ridge and the stalls are pretty deep.

I tried the American Leathers glove and couldnt get it to feel just right with my deep hook. Went back to a RMSG glove and had better feel for the string and a better release. But, I recently went to a Bateman cordovan tab and it works great with a deep hook. I had never shot a tab before last month, and I really like it.

use a tab !

I can get a deep hook with my american leathers bigshot and my Bateman with cordovan. It did take some time and Montana pitch blend for the Bateman.

When you talk about a deep hook is this considered the first knuckle crease or is it deeper than that.

The Neet deerskin glove with Cordovan fingertips was designed for a deep hook.  When I asked Neet to make the glove I told them it needed to accommodate the deep hook.  I like what they came up with.

acollins. To answer your question, at least for me, a deep hook is actually holding the string between the first two joints. I suppose you can call that a really deep hook. Absolutely eliminates any tension in the hand or forearm allowing me to fully engage the use of my back muscles. Never thought I could get a clean release but that is no problem. I use a dynamic release  and a Bateman tab. Try it. I think  you'll like it.

Try the Bearpaw Black Glove.

QuoteOriginally posted by acollins:
When you talk about a deep hook is this considered the first knuckle crease or is it deeper than that.

It's my understanding (mostly through posts of Arne "Moebow" Moe) that the term "Deep Hook" is supposed to describe how much your fingers curl back (towards your elbow), and NOT how far on your finger you're placing the string. So, if you're already shooting with the string in the crease of the first knuckle, when you start using a "Deep Hook," you will still have the string in the first knuckle crease. You would just be concentrating on pointing your fingertips back more.

So, for the original post, the glove shouldn't affect that unless the leather is too stiff to bend at that knuckle. In which case, I would do as others have suggested and just work on conditioning the leather until it bends where ya want it to. Hope this helps somebody.      If I completely missed the point of either question, please, feel free to disregard everything that I have typed.    :D

QuoteOriginally posted by Fattony77:
 

QuoteOriginally posted by acollins:
When you talk about a deep hook is this considered the first knuckle crease or is it deeper than that.

It's my understanding (mostly through posts of Arne "Moebow" Moe) that the term "Deep Hook" is supposed to describe how much your fingers curl back (towards your elbow), and NOT how far on your finger you're placing the string. So, if you're already shooting with the string in the crease of the first knuckle, when you start using a "Deep Hook," you will still have the string in the first knuckle crease. You would just be concentrating on pointing your fingertips back more.

So, for the original post, the glove shouldn't affect that unless the leather is too stiff to bend at that knuckle. In which case, I would do as others have suggested and just work on conditioning the leather until it bends where ya want it to. Hope this helps somebody.       If I completely missed the point of either question, please, feel free to disregard everything that I have typed.     :D  [/b]

Yup, the deep hook is less about where the string sets in your fingers, more about the curl back.

I use American Leathers Krossover exclusively, with a first knuckle deep hook. No problems at all.

I use a deep hook with the big shot....not a problem

I use a deep hook with the big shot....not a problem