HH bug got me ... Part One!

toddster · August 05, 2012, 12:01:00 PM

yeah guess you don't have the golden hair, like swinehart, lol.

Ron Roehrick · August 05, 2012, 02:01:00 PM

Nates being modest, I think hes a very good shot and really knows his stuff after all those years of doing it Hill stlye. Ron.

swampthing · August 05, 2012, 02:05:00 PM

Long range with 500 grains....
Man there is just something about a huge 69" bow lobbing the shaft. Even w/ 5.5" high backs and 190's on the tip they just get out and get there.

tradlongbow · August 05, 2012, 08:37:00 PM

Jacques asked me to post these pics.

Charlie Lamb · August 05, 2012, 09:59:00 PM

Cool idea!

Bud B. · August 05, 2012, 10:08:00 PM

I'll bet that's a mean head.

Thanks Jacques and Darren.

B

toddster · August 05, 2012, 10:47:00 PM

yeah thanks alot. that would work awesome for the Hill heads, will get to work on it day after tomorrow.

Rossco7002 · August 06, 2012, 12:42:00 AM

Gents,

I have noted from several sources that Howard was said to vary the cant of his bow at different ranges. This is said to have been done so that he would have a similar sight picture no matter the range he was shooting at. If this is the case I would love for someone with 'the knowledge' to describe it as it sounds like a very simple way to greatly increase accuracy/consistency.

Apologies if this has been discussed before but if not I'd love to hear some insight.

Cheers,
Ross

dragonheart · August 06, 2012, 07:29:00 AM

Closer the yardage, the more you cant. The further away the less cant. Downhill or out of treestand lay the bow over, most canted.

August 06, 2012, 07:52:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by dragonheart:
Downhill or out of treestand lay the bow over, most canted.

Jeff,

Just want to clarify...are you talking roll the bow over (thumb up for rh shooter - upside down) or nearly parallel with the ground?

Rossco7002 · August 06, 2012, 08:00:00 AM

Thanks Jeff. In terms of getting started are there any guidelines or helpful tips with this technique (i.e. 20 yards = 45 degree cant)? This would be a pretty radical change in form for me so I'm kinda scarred to jump in with both feet.

khardrunner · August 06, 2012, 08:25:00 AM

I'm pretty sure he is refering to Schulz's style of shooting from a stand where you lay the bow almost flat, parallel to the ground. Thumb side down.

swampthing · August 06, 2012, 08:46:00 AM

I hear you Rossco. Try standing up on your shed, back porch, a tree stand or what ever let's you get 10-20 feet above the ground. Now toss a plastic bottle out about 15yards. Then try to hit it while using your normal style. Now go get the arrows. Next try those same shots while you cant that bow almost flat, as in way past 45deg, top limb to the [R} if you are righty or top limb {L} if you are lefty. Pick a spot draw and shoot.
Don't have to get both feet soaked, but trying to make hits in all kinds of various positions will pay off.

Rossco7002 · August 06, 2012, 08:51:00 AM

Thanks guys. Is this something that Hill used when on the ground as well. I'm very intrigued by the idea of one sight picture no matter the range....

I'm assuming he did this so as to keep the same arrow position relative to the target with the cant of the bow being used as an elevation control....

swampthing · August 06, 2012, 09:00:00 AM

The above delves deeper in to the Hill Style aspect of shooting with fluidity. Not drawing to the max and leaving a little slack.
Now of course, one can draw fully as one can comfortably, pick a spot and hit routinely, of course, but that is not how Howard did it.
Pick a spot, be on target at 2/3's draw, by the time your touching anchor you have already started to release. All in one motion.
It can be done that way target style, but by the time one had it all lined up the Hill style shooter already had is arrow out of there. Even if you drop to 28" of draw to achieve this fluid style, there is not a Double Karbon D/R bow that can catch up. Not even with a 30" draw.

Rossco7002 · August 06, 2012, 09:08:00 AM

So this technique requires more than just an alteration of can't? At 26 inches of draw (not a target stance) I'm not too super keen to loose more....

swampthing · August 06, 2012, 09:18:00 AM

You shouldn't loose any if you are doing it right. Look a little
deeper. Howard had a 28" draw. He could achieve that at most any angle. That is one reason it works so well. The velocity is very uniform when you always pull it back the same distance.

Rossco7002 · August 06, 2012, 09:22:00 AM

So as simple as: experiment with more cant at closer ranges.... to sum up how this uniform sight picture can be achieved?

swampthing · August 06, 2012, 10:05:00 AM

You would have to shoot a laser to have a "uniform" sight pic. In archery there is quite a bit more arc involved as we see so bow hand elevation will vary. These tactics just "lessen" the overall adjustment necessary to make reliable hits at hunting distances.
Don't think, just shoot. Repeat. You will learn what is needed to do it in time. Time behind the bow will get you closer to the mark then time thinking about it.

Stump Buster · August 06, 2012, 10:12:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by swampthing:
Time behind the bow will get you closer to the mark then time thinking about it.

One of the best comments ever!!!