I have tried quite a few different brands of bows and I have not found a "short" recurve that doesn't stack at my draw. Is there a recurve out there at 58" or less that I could shoot without any stack at all?

thanks,  chris

How long is your draw?


Stacking is caused by the string angle approaching 90 degrees to the limb.  If you have a long draw, you are going to get to the 90 degree mark and stack.  The only way to beat it is to go to a longer bow.

Mike

Chris,

 Try a Saluki, I have had guy's with 30+ inch draws  pull back my 52" Scythian with no problems.

What Tony said :0)

Check out Morrison's new recurve.  Heck if I can remember it's name.
homebru

Morrison Cheyene.  Duh.
homebru

RER Arroyo at 54"s and 58"s will get ya there with no pinch or stack and what Tony said. Shawn

The Morrison will not do that, look at Bob's site. He tells ya what length bow to get with your draw and a 30" draw gets at least a 60" bow but more likely  a 62"er. Shawn

The Black Mountain Obsidian can handle your draw. It handles mine just fine.

I love short bows. We see a ton of them come thru our shop, both new and used.
I have checked dozens and dozens of short bows on scales. Very few actually stack unless they go over 30". I measure beginning at 26". Most have an increase of 2-3 lbs. Most go to 31" before you see the pounds increase to about 4 lbs.
I think many people confuse the finger pinch and the  extra 5-6 pounds between 28 and 30" as stack.
Some of the short bows pull about the same at 29 as they do at 28", there is a flat spot there on some bows. The next time you think your bow stacks, put it on a scale, you might be surprised at what you see. Example" I just checked a 54" PSR . It pulls all the way to 31 before it stacks an extra 1.5-2 pounds!

With a draw length that long, I'd worry more about pinch than stacking...

QuoteOriginally posted by SRTA:
I think many people confuse the finger pinch and the extra 5-6 pounds between 28 and 30" as stack.

I agree!

I pull 29-1/2" and can hear squeaking in my glove when pulling my 60" bow.  I've got a 62" bow that shouldn't pinch as badly -- but it's a 10# heavier draw weight and is hell on my fingers.

I can readily shoot bows as short as 54" as long as the draw weight stays below 60#.  Over 70#, though, and finger pinch takes it's toll when you shoot lots of arrows and don't like thick gloves or tabs.

Stack isn't the only thing to worry about when you're pulling 30 inches...

Shrew's

I have felt the difference between finger pinch and stacking. I appreciate the input about finger pinch but I am aware that some bows handle long draw lengths better than others and I am just looking for opinions from others who have tried short bows. I would love to be aable to shot a shrot bow, but I have not been able to find a bow that doesn't stack.

finger pinch is very much an issue dont get me wrong. I didn't mean to come across like I did in my above post.....I just re read it and realized I might have come across defensive and I did not mean to.

I have a Saluki bow that will go out to 30". It also will pull out smoothly. They are pretty darn fast too. Most horsebows don't have a shelf and that can be a problem. Lucas at Saluki will make them either way.

The Arroyo has the static tips like the Obsidian vermonster mentions and they do not pinch or stack due to the limb design. Shawn

I just received a 54" Saluki Turk in a trade. The draw force curve is as follows -

26" - 42 lb
27" - 44 lb
28" - 46 lb
29" - 48 lb
30" - 50.5 lb

That's a pretty smooth draw force curve. But the most interesting thing is the string angle at full draw, quite low for a short bow.

and btw, thanks Tony... for ordering this Turk from Lukas about 4 years ago. :-)

My personal experience with a Black Mountain bow that I owned about 3 years ago... not good after the 26" mark, as it increased 3 lbs/inch to 28" and 3.5 lbs/inch from the 29-30" mark. I think it was 48 @ 28. Could have been just THAT particular bow, as it was the only one I owned. And that may not be considered true "stacking", but it is quite common on some of the really short bows (54" amo and shorter).

- Dave

My 58" BigJim Thunderchild handles my 30" draw just fine.

The string angle, and the location of the working limb, (where the limb is bending) is what determines the stacking point.

There are some really great shorter bows being built today by a number of different bowyer's that draw smooth out to 30".

here is a 60" Sasquatch hybrid long bow drawn to 30". check out the string angle on this one. I build this bow in a 58" too.

Just curious, why are you looking for such a short bow for that draw length?