glue and carbon

mike v · August 12, 2015, 05:02:00 PM

hi everyone, new guy here. i'm not new to traditional archery, just new to carbon shafts. in the past i've always used hot melt glue on wood and aluminum shafts for points and inserts and it wasn't a big deal to change anything. just heat up the tip and pull. i'm about to test some gold tips and try 3 different weighted inserts so my question is, is there a glue i can use that will allow me to change inserts once i figure out which one i'm gonna use?

JR Williams · August 12, 2015, 05:12:00 PM

I use Big Jim's hot melt. If I need to change inserts I simply heat up a field point and screw it in, then twist out the insert. Works like a charm, and holds the inserts in quite well.

Jakeemt · August 12, 2015, 05:16:00 PM

I use hot melt on my carbons with no issues. I use pro strength hot melt from the craft store. works great.

highlow · August 12, 2015, 05:17:00 PM

JR X2. I take it one step further by having cold water running and quickly putting tip under after the insert comes out. Maybe not necessary but don't want to take a chance.

mike v · August 12, 2015, 05:25:00 PM

thabks, jr. i don't know why i didn't think of that.

JRY309 · August 12, 2015, 05:30:00 PM

If I'm just testing out carbon shafts for tuning.I'll just push in the insert with some saran wrap.It will hold the insert in snug enough for shooting and tuning.You just need a softer target like a bag target that doesn't grab too tight on arrow removal.After I'm done then I'll clean and prep my shafts for glueing in the inserts.I find it faster and easier then using hot melt,glueing in and then heating up to remove for trying different inserts or tuning.

mike v · August 12, 2015, 05:57:00 PM

thanks guys. i've been shooting trad gear for 30 some years and reading posts on this board for 2 or 3 and i still learn stuff.

Yewbender · August 12, 2015, 06:37:00 PM

X2 on what JRY309 said. Thats what i did before i switched over to wood.

August 12, 2015, 08:39:00 PM

Big Jim's Hot melt. I have been using it for all my inserts in both Gold Tip and Easron Full Metal Jacket shafts for a couple years, and have yet to lose a single insert.

Bisch

The Whittler · August 12, 2015, 09:09:00 PM

Go on Big Jim's site and watch the video on useing his glue stick, I think that will convince you.

kevsuperg · August 13, 2015, 10:36:00 AM

Where on big Jim's is that hot melt video.
I see 8 how-to's on the longbow but that's it.

August 13, 2015, 11:31:00 AM

This is the glue:

http://www.shop.bigjimsbowcompany.com/Quick-Stick-Hot-Melt-Glue-QSHMG21443043.htm?categoryId=-1

I can't find the video, but this stuff is the real deal! I will not use anything else.

Bisch

KentuckyTJ · August 13, 2015, 11:39:00 AM

I use the Grizzly glue. It is very similar to Big Jims but doesn't set up quit as fast. That allows me time to tune the broadheads to spin true.

http://www.grizzlybroadheads.com/adapters.html

kevsuperg · August 13, 2015, 12:14:00 PM

I bought some at ETAR, used it on one test arrow and lost the point.
Prepped the shaft etc etc, Guess I need to do something different in how I use it.

bear bowman · August 13, 2015, 02:27:00 PM

Do any of you do any kind of prep before using the hot melt? Do you make the insert just hot enough to melt the glue and shove it in? Do you run it under cold water right away to keep the heat from damaging the carbon shaft?

JR Williams · August 13, 2015, 08:12:00 PM

I rough up the inside of the shaft with a bore brush then wipe down with acetone on a q-tip until it comes out clean.

Then I rough up the insert with sandpaper and again wipe down with acetone. I heat up the glue and get it on the insert (a little goes a long ways). Then I heat up the insert until the glue turns soft and put the insert in the shaft with a twist. I quickly wipe off any excess with my fingers and place the shaft insert down into a glass of cool water.

Then I do the same process with the next arrow.

Hope that helps.

bear bowman · August 14, 2015, 08:03:00 AM

Thanks JR.

Longbow58 · August 14, 2015, 08:37:00 AM

Big Jim"s and a candle.

August 14, 2015, 10:01:00 AM

I used to prep my arrows with a bore brush and acetone, and clean the brass inserts with acetone also.

Since I switched to the Big Jim's Quick Stik glue, I don't do any prep at all (unless I cut the shaft; then I will clean out the end of the shaft with acetone on a q-tip). I have glued in hundreds of brass inserts in both GT and Easton FMJ shafts, and have yet to lose a single one.

I use a propane torch. I put a field tip in the insert, hold the field point with a pair of pliers, and heat the insert in the torch flame. I also hold the glue up to the edge of the flame just enough to get it starting to melt, but not enough for it to burn. I then roll the inert in the glue, and insert it into the arrow. I then dip the arrow in water to cool everything down.

Bisch