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I admit, I still dont get it

Started by snowplow, April 03, 2015, 10:08:00 PM

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snowplow

So I know I dont always pick up on everything immediately, but this ones really getting me...

Why in the world does a three under most always sound louder (even if it's just to the shooter).

It seems to me that your draw hand is directly behind the bow hand (as opposed to being above it like split).

Why oh why is it louder? If it is louder isn't that a sign that it isnt working as slick for whatever reason? What the heck am I missing friends?

McDave

I think it has something to do with the arrow nock being closer to the apex of the draw with split.  Imagine the instant you let go of the string. With 3 under, there's 3 fingers worth of slack under the nock, and none above the nock, that has to be taken up before the weight of the bow hits the nock.  With split, there's still a little more under the nock than above, but it's more evenly distributed. Just a guess.
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Knotter

i always wondered the same thing.  The first time i tried 3 under i thought I broke my bow.
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Cavscout9753

Would/does a bow tillered for 3 under reduce this noise? McDave's answer seems pretty on point, I always figured it has to do with the uneven travel of the string above and below the nock.
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snowplow

I'm with ya knotter. I like the idea of 3 under, but it feels like there is something wrong every time I try it.

damascusdave

I never shoot 3 under any more...if I lean that way I shoot 2 under which seems quieter on average than 3...if the bow is still too noisy that way I shoot 3 finger split...this year my goal is to develop a solid 2 finger split (Flemish) release...so far for me it is just as quiet as 3 split...with 20 or so bows if I had to know exactly why each performs the way they do I would be spending way too much time trying to understand and not enough time shooting

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snowplow

I'm with ya knotter. I like the idea of 3 under, but it feels like there is something wrong every time I try it.

Stumpkiller

That might be the additional sound of the angels crying when you use three fingers under.
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snowplow

That sounds like the most reasonable theory to me stumpkiller.

BigJim

Tillering for three under will only change nock point height slightly. NO affect on quietness.

I wish I knew the answer too.
when I'm shooting with back tension and relaxed hand/arm, my bow is quiet as a whisper. When I'm tensed, it twangs.

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snowplow

That sounds like the most reasonable theory to me stumpkiller.

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M60gunner

I tried to play around with the noise issue also. I have an ILF bow so I can adjust the tiller how I want. Some where about 25 years ago I read "to tiller a bow for 3 under, set the limbs at 0 tiller". That is where I started and while it was quiter it was still noisy to me. I played with it by moving tiller, string silentcers nock point arrow weight etc. OK says I, I do not have the know how to fix the noise issue so I moved on.

LongStick64

Never had the problem no matter what bow I used, for me it's all about the release as Big Jim says. Most people who shoot split probably have more tension on the string with the finger directly under the arrow anyway, which if you think about it is the same when you shoot 3 under, at least that is how I do it. Maybe if you are shooting 3 Under from check finger pressure you might need to adjust which finger is hold more of the string weight.
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mahantango

I also agree with Big Jim. I do think however that you need to be more conscious of the weight distribution on the fingers when shooting 3-under. A lot of shooters put too much weight on the ring finger, stressing the lower limb more and throwing off the timing. Try to maintain 50% on middle finger, 40% on index, and only 10% on ring finger.
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katman

QuoteOriginally posted by mahantango:
I also agree with Big Jim. I do think however that you need to be more conscious of the weight distribution on the fingers when shooting 3-under. A lot of shooters put too much weight on the ring finger, stressing the lower limb more and throwing off the timing. Try to maintain 50% on middle finger, 40% on index, and only 10% on ring finger.
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Scott E

Never had a problem with noise shooting three under. String walking is another story
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trad_bowhunter1965

For me I have always shot three under I have done some testing for myself with Ipad filming my self shooting my bow. It is louder when I shoot off the tips of my fingers and when I take a deep hook with my fingers and relack my hand my bow a lot more quieter also notes that it I didn't keep my string strait when I made my draw it was loader.
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