HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!

ron w · November 21, 2013, 09:17:00 PM

Thanks Terry.......I do like it a lot.

Knawbone · November 21, 2013, 09:48:00 PM

Rossco, You better send that expedition to a man that can truly unlock it's full potential........Me of course LOL. What is the physical weight of the bow? Is it lighter than a HHA bow?

Brianlocal3 · November 21, 2013, 09:55:00 PM

Ok,
So all the new bows are amazing!!!! Which actually leads me to this......
I knew string material has been covered on the HH part 1 thread BUT the arrival of my newest addition promps this.

I KNOW what James bows shoot like. I mean basically its all I shoot . All of my Berrys have a 14 strand FF+ string. This is the same string I make and use on any and EVERY bow that comes thru my door.

This particular bow came from the previous owner with an 18 strand B50 and just to get some shooting in I strung it up and shot four , yes only FOUR arrows from it before I ripped it off and got to work on building my string for it.

That string made this beautifully Shoooting bow feel like a mule. It greatly slowed the bow down and felt like it was a trampoline after release.

So do you shoot b50 or ff? Why? What do you "feel" from each material.

Brianlocal3 · November 21, 2013, 09:57:00 PM

Oh so if anyone here wants an 18 strand b50 for a 68" bow send me a pm and ill mail it out to you for a Tradgang Christmas.

Rossco7002 · November 21, 2013, 10:11:00 PM

Dave - that is a very generous offer... but I'll pass thanks! ;-)

The bow is lighter in weight than an HHA bow. It is more slightly built with tiny tips, narrow limbs and a short riser section. The CC/CV construction also requires less boo in the limb to hit the desired draw weight so the physical weight of the limbs is reduced.

I may be in my head but I feel like it points faster. I know for certain it makes for a 'soft in the hand bow' which feels GREAT at the loose.

Cyclic-Rivers · November 21, 2013, 10:26:00 PM

Nice Bow Ron.

The thing I dont like about about Hill bows is..... They all look the same

Mudd · November 21, 2013, 10:48:00 PM

Am I wrong?

Isn't the only difference between my Miller "Hawk" and the "Expedition" the carbon backing on the bow?

God bless,Mudd

Rossco7002 · November 22, 2013, 06:17:00 AM

Mudd - you are correct. The Expedition is basically a Hawk with a carbon backing and glassed belly.

Centex · November 22, 2013, 07:33:00 AM

"The Mistress" is beautiful.

Ric O'Shay · November 22, 2013, 08:12:00 AM

far rider -

Regarding your question about O.L. Adcock and his patent about the cc/cv limb; Howard Hill was building his personal glass bows with that design before O.L was even a gleam in his daddy's eye. O.L. claimed to have invented the design, but that has been debunked. I have not read the actual patent, so perhaps someone could tell us if it was the design or the process that was patented.

When Hill started producing his bow to be sold to the public, it took too long and was (at that time) too complicated to mass produce. That is when the flat glass design was utilized in order to cut production time. David Miller builds his cc/cv bows the old fashion way. One at a time.

Blaino · November 22, 2013, 08:20:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Mudd:
Am I wrong?

Isn't the only difference between my Miller "Hawk" and the "Expedition" the carbon backing on the bow?

God bless,Mudd

I don't get into all of the carbon stuff, just wondered if the concave/convex bow really was "all that" must be since that's what Howard used.

Carbon must be an upgrade... from his website:

Glass Model "The Expedition"
Three concave-convex tempered bamboo laminations with glass face and backed
combined with hardwood riser. The ultimate big game longbow.

I want another bow

MikeM · November 22, 2013, 08:38:00 AM

As I understand it Dave went to carbon on the Expedition because of the lack of the availability of woven glass that he had originally used.

two4hooking · November 22, 2013, 09:27:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Brianlocal3:
Ok,
So all the new bows are amazing!!!! Which actually leads me to this......
I knew string material has been covered on the HH part 1 thread BUT the arrival of my newest addition promps this.

I KNOW what James bows shoot like. I mean basically its all I shoot . All of my Berrys have a 14 strand FF+ string. This is the same string I make and use on any and EVERY bow that comes thru my door.

This particular bow came from the previous owner with an 18 strand B50 and just to get some shooting in I strung it up and shot four , yes only FOUR arrows from it before I ripped it off and got to work on building my string for it.

That string made this beautifully Shoooting bow feel like a mule. It greatly slowed the bow down and felt like it was a trampoline after release.

So do you shoot b50 or ff? Why? What do you "feel" from each material.

I prefer a heavy B-50 string. The biggest factor for me is quietness as I do not use puff balls or silencers. Schulz stated, a true Hill style bow has no need for silencers when a heavy hunting string - well waxed was used. I have also found this to be true.

Another reason I like B50 is the feel. The FF strings I had were ridged feeling. Like putting extra stress on the whole operation and loud as all get out. I kinda like the feel of the gentle dampened vibration of the limbs when a well released arrow is on it's way. It just screams forgiveness.

Yes, this type of string is not as fast as FF but speed will only help you miss faster. I think that the B50 is all about forgiveness....perfect for this type of bow.

Just my 2 cents.

Kelly · November 22, 2013, 10:18:00 AM

OL's concave limb is only the last 8-10" at tip end whereas Howard's CC/CV is the whole limb.

Basically, it looks like ((( with each mark representing a bamboo lam. Baboo basically is a hollow tube so when split it naturally has the CC/CV shape.

Tinbow · November 22, 2013, 11:27:00 AM

Spoke with Mr. Berry earlier this week. It seems my Misty Dawn is next on the build list !!!!!

November 22, 2013, 11:56:00 AM

2-4-hooking prefers the full sized B50, for my Hill style bows that I have, I have not found a night and day difference by going to fast flights. A touch less vibration and a touch more speed. I tried a few shots with a padded FF on my Schulz, not much advantage at all, maybe just a tick faster. With my other bows I had the benefit of going to a 145 head from a 160 head on the same shafts when I put FFs on them. Not that I was planning on doing that, that is how the strings effected my spine requirement. It seems that some bows get more benefit from FF strings than others.

far rider · November 22, 2013, 12:31:00 PM

Thanks Ric and Kelly,
I remembered reading an article when O.L. hit the market with his ACS bow. I just remember (ole memory) them mentioning a patent.
I did not however know about Howard's original bows, nor did I know about David Miller's limbs.

Thanks guys!

I sure have learned a lot about longbows over the last 1050+ pages of chit chat.

What ever happened to Nate? He used to post on here all the time, then he just quit. Anybody know if he's okay? Hope this isn't picking at a scab.

Brianlocal3 · November 22, 2013, 12:56:00 PM

Nate is doing fine. Actually building a St. Jude's bow right now.

Blaino · November 22, 2013, 02:09:00 PM

Does anybody know if Nate is taking any bow orders again. About 2 years ago he said he wasn't.....

Brianlocal3 · November 22, 2013, 02:25:00 PM

He still not taking any.