Bob,
The 1716s worked well for my .400s

Ryan

Cool.  Thanks!  Now I just have to find someone who will sell me a 1716 shaft!

Thanks again!!  

Bob,
In the past I've purchase single shafts from Lancaster Archery.  I'm not sure if they are still doing that though.

Aloha!
Ryan

I'll check 'em out.  What total arrow weight are you coming up with, and what broadhead weight (looks like a Muzzy)?

Same lenght on your footings (fore and aft) as you show in your tutorial?

Bob

Bob,

After experimenting, I settled for  a 200gr tip, 92gr insert and 1" 1716 aluminum sleeve.  I also have a 1/4" sleeve on the nock end.

My total arrow weight is 515gr.

Yes, that's a Muzzy Phantom.

Ryan

Good job, Ryan!

I've had some good luck with the AeroOutsert by Firenock with a 1.25" internal footing (solid stainless rod 5/32" - approx 20 grains).

Will try these externals with the standard VAP inserts to see how they work.

IMO, great shafts.

I shoot 400 VAP's through bows that range from 47 - 64# @ 28" (I'm drawing a tad over 29"), and in styles from Hill-type longbow to high performance statics.  With anything from 200-300 grains up front - they all work!!

Talk about a versatile arrow combo!!      


Plus - as Ryan's goat can attest - they are killers!!!

Thanks for the info Bob!  I'll go check out those AeroOutserts.  Great idea about the SS rod.

Yeah, these arrows seem to tune really well!  I just picked up another dozen.

Have a Great weekend!

Ryan

Well, I tried some of VAP V3 I picked up from Gary Hall. First off, FANTASTIC work from Gary as always, just beautiful.  I was excited to give them a try so I glued in a Victory black AL insert on to a full length shaft and weighed it. Very light at 273gr so I screwed in the heaviest field point I had handy 200g for a total wt of 473, good enough to start for my 50 lb bow.  First short shot into a bag target in garage work shop and seemed ok, let's go out side. First shot outside and:
 
Bummer! Shot off and to side of target where it tore though the side of my block target and glanced to the right, striking my big ash tree behind. Couldn't believe it from the first shot at 20yds-- I make that shot in my sleep.  I think that since the shaft is so small that perhaps it wasn't well seated on my shelf or perhaps I just flinched.
Anyhow, you can see in the pic the insert bent and tore out of the side of the arrow. Luckily I didn't cut the arrow shaft, so trimmed it back a bit, straightened the insert and tried again.

Well, even if the insert isn't perfectly straight, these things fly true. I'm pretty impressed with the flight. One thing is for sure, these arrows penetrate like none other I have seen or tried. I'd estimate that all things similar the VAP vs GT Trads I'm getting a good couple inches more penetration.

I'm gonna take the suggestion of others here an try some of the firenock outserts before I test, trim or shoot more.  Report to follow soon. Happy Fathers day!