cock feather "in"

jackdaw · September 13, 2011, 07:36:00 PM

Just got done watching volumes 1 and 2 of "Masters of the Barebow" and found them highly entertaining with plenty of new ideas to try at the range! Today my father and I were shooting and I decided to try Fred Eichler's "cock feather turned in" towards the sight window as opposed to the old "tried and true" traditional cock feather out method I have ALWAYS done.It really worked well for both of us!! I suppose many of you have tried this in the past, but Fred started doing it when a European shooter quizzed him on why he insisted the cockfeather be turned out...then scowled at him! The idea being that when the arrow "paradoxes(sp?), the cockfeather facing "in" easily clears the bowshelf and sightwindow with only one feather facing them. With cockfeather out, the bottom hen feather can "drag" and cause minimal shot deflection...even with archers paradox! Pros and cons withstanding....we both tried it quite a bit and actually shot BETTER than the traditional feather out method! Coincidence?...maybe, but we're going to try it for a couple of weeks with some other bow/arrow combos and see what happens! Anybody else here shoot this way??? Curious to hear...Many thanks...John

AdamH · September 13, 2011, 07:44:00 PM

All the time ....

Don Stokes · September 13, 2011, 08:06:00 PM

I've noticed that it works better for people who's third finger is shorter than average.

ermont · September 13, 2011, 08:09:00 PM

I've short cock feather in for a while. It works great. I know it sounds counterintuitive but it works.

ermont · September 13, 2011, 08:10:00 PM

Sorry shot.

2treks · September 13, 2011, 08:19:00 PM

Look at how the feathers hit the SHELF. Cock feather in will clear the sight window during paradox and the hen will be at about 7:00 for a RH shooter,clearing the shelf. Cock feather out will put the hen feather in contact with the shelf all the way through the shot,This can depend on shooting style,release,shelf type,tune and many other things I guess. Cock feather out works for many people, has for many years.

Chuck

Killdeer · September 13, 2011, 08:26:00 PM

I accidentally shot one CFO at a jug shoot last weekend. It was a speed event and I flubbed in the heat of combat, misnocking by 180 degrees. The arrow flew way left.

I suppose I should try my hand at being a four-flusher.
Killdeer

Killdeer · September 13, 2011, 08:26:00 PM

Four fletcher.
Killdeer

TDHunter · September 13, 2011, 08:27:00 PM

Been doing it that way for 20 years and have always got better clearance.

Red Beastmaster · September 13, 2011, 09:28:00 PM

I shoot broadheads CFI and target points CFO.

It's mostly in my head but it seems like I get better flight that way.

Downtime · September 13, 2011, 09:58:00 PM

Cock feather in, works just as good as cock feather out for me. My shooting style became better when I started touching the hen feather with my nose at full draw. In time the feather to the nose became second nature and with my good release, I was able to work on my bow push at release.

TxAg · September 13, 2011, 10:00:00 PM

I don't know that I shoot well enough that I can tell any difference, but I started shooting cock feather in a few months ago. I really like it.

jsweka · September 13, 2011, 10:37:00 PM

I've got one longbow that shoots better for me cock feather in. I tried different spines and point weights, but in the end, I get the best arrow flight out of that bow with cock feather in. All my other bows, I shoot cock feather out.

September 13, 2011, 10:41:00 PM

i keep my cock feather out, but the hen feather is in so its just a(color) visual reference, im used to seeing my cock feather out so i keep it that way.

Cyclic-Rivers · September 13, 2011, 10:41:00 PM

Shoot what works.

if the arrow is properly bare shaft tuned, you will notice little difference.

JamesKerr · September 13, 2011, 10:41:00 PM

For most people it will not create a bit of difference as no matter how the fletchings contact the shelf and riser they will (crush) out of the way.

smilinicon · September 14, 2011, 10:01:00 AM

I don't even look anymore, I just nock an arrow.

jackdaw · September 14, 2011, 10:29:00 PM

probably pure coincidence, but for the second day in a row....alternating back and forth between CFI vs. CFO, the CFI was our group-size winner!!! I'm right handed and had zero windage problems.......every now and then I would get them when I knew I got off the string clean. I'll try it for a month and see if I still feel this way. Maybe it's just like "new bow syndrome", where you are trying something different and consequently paying closer attention to all the fine points! (which you should be doing anyway!). thanks for all your imput....john P.S., I shoot left wing helical, 5" shield cut truflights......3 fletch. perhaps those "tall" shieldcuts deflect a little more than say a 4" parabolic????..hmmmm...

jhg · September 14, 2011, 11:06:00 PM

I may try this.

Don't know about the four flushing tho. Last time I did that, arrow flight was way down on the list of my concerns...

Joshua

MikeNova · September 15, 2011, 12:58:00 AM

I seem to shot better cock feather in.