Contemplating a permanent switch

Mudd · September 10, 2011, 02:25:00 PM

Years ago shooting my own style I tried switching to shooting 3 under and things didn't go so well so I almost immediately went back to my own style.

Well over the last year I made another change with the help of Nate Steen, Spanky Neal, and the John Schulz video "Hitt'em like Howard Hill".

I switched to shooting "Hill" style much to my pleasure.

I have been shooting forever "split finger" with the exception of my very short trial earlier in my traditional experience.

After doing some reading and much thought I decided to give Rik's method of shooting 3 under a try.

Here are my 1st arrows shot 3 under out of 3 different bows. The distance wasn't far but I was impressed anyway.

These 6 are out of my 66" Osage Royale that's marked 58@27 but draws 56@28 by my scales.

These next 6 are out of my NM Sheldon 66" 55@28

And lastly are 6 shot out of my Howard Hill Wesley Special 66" 48@28

God bless,Mudd

YORNOC · September 10, 2011, 02:47:00 PM

I prefer 3 under for most bows myself. Always good to experiment, its a continual learning process for sure.

JL · September 10, 2011, 03:04:00 PM

That is some mighty fine shooting! Looks like your a quick learner and you found your natural style of shooting. Looking good!

JL

Mike Vines · September 10, 2011, 03:43:00 PM

I'm a 3 under guy, and it appears you should be too Roy.

pdk25 · September 10, 2011, 04:04:00 PM

Well, I am definitely not switching to 3 under now. I could never afford all of the broken arrows and nocks. Great shooting.

sticksnstones · September 10, 2011, 05:55:00 PM

Hi Mudd, can I ask you two questions? Were those single or double nock points on your strings? Do you shoot glove or tab?

Mudd · September 10, 2011, 06:32:00 PM

I put a second nock on before I started with the 3 under.

I was shooting my regular Bateman tab(split finger) but using it as a 3 under tab.

I am headed back out this evening with my other Wesley Special, other Osage Royale, Keeper Kat(Cheetah) and my "Old Tom".

I will not be taking the time to add an extra nock yet but I want to see if I can duplicate this mornings shots with different bows.

God bless,Mudd

Mudd · September 10, 2011, 07:32:00 PM

The results of the rest of my herd, all 66" being shot 3 under at the same ten yards without the extra nock under the arrow.(6 arrows in each group)

Wesley Special 57@28

Osage Royale(ROI) 52@28

Keeper Kat(Cheetah) 56@28

Miller "old Tom" 52@28

It's looking good for making the switch from split finger to 3 under.

God bless,Mudd

tim roberts · September 10, 2011, 10:10:00 PM

Mudd,
Switching like this, late in the game, can cause swollen elbows :D :D :D

Friend · September 10, 2011, 10:41:00 PM

There are great archers which have shot both and two under. Each have there own distinct advatages. Pick your poison.

My 1st seven years I shot split. Switched to two under then settled on three under and have never looked back. Another may experience the same in reverse.

Note: When shooting three under, try to keep in mind that you don't want the third finger to become your nemisis. Two under has produced some of my best groups, yet I strongly felt that chronic numb fingers was a clue I needed to listen to.

Mudd · September 10, 2011, 10:42:00 PM

Switching from split finger to 3 under can cause elbow problems?

My anchor is the same, my draw is the same.

What would cause the elbow problem?

God bless,Mudd

Hard Times · September 10, 2011, 11:00:00 PM

I shoot split, but after seeing those groups, my wheels are turning. Hmmm. Good shooting!

Rod

ti-guy · September 10, 2011, 11:16:00 PM

Nice shooting !

September 11, 2011, 02:13:00 AM

I don't know about this. Shooting three under with a Hill style bow just ain't natural. what next a bow quiver? Oh, the horrors if it all. But then again if getting that arrow up high enough so you can gun barrel aim with it and you are still in fluid control of the whole thing, have fun with it. I am going to dump all of my Hill style bows and get a Stotler and shoot it Hill style, so I am in no position to criticize anyone.

amar911 · September 11, 2011, 02:43:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by pdk25:
Well, I am definitely not switching to 3 under now. I could never afford all of the broken arrows and nocks. Great shooting.

I'm with Pat. Split finger shooter for 53 years and not about to switch now!

Allan

Rob DiStefano · September 11, 2011, 07:02:00 AM

3under isn't for everyone. there are things to consider. it may not be as forgiving a release at the inception, and it may take awhile to "perfect". if your 3under release isn't "right", it can be a clanky, noisy affair as well, and may require rethinking arrow selection.

3under, "gun barrelling", can make for a better line-of-sight aim at shorter distances, but more difficult at longer distances as trajectories increase. 3under can be particularly good with heavy bows and fast arrows!

the snap fit of the nock is *critical* - too little snap and a release could dry fire, too much snap can cause inconsistencies in arrow speed.

3under feels better to most archers with a more upright shooting form, as opposed to canting - and severe canting with split finger may be near impossible with 3under and there is no "grip" to holding the nock with yer fingers. a more upright form may require an arrow change or modification.

i think every archer owes it to themselves to give 3under a good go - it just might be the cat's meow for ya, as it is for rik and perhaps for mudd, too! how cool is that? :cool:

maineac · September 11, 2011, 07:16:00 AM

I had gone to three under before I switched to trad (shot my wheelie with fingers). Started three under with my first recurve. When I got my first longbow I tried split and it just felt more natural. Plus as Rob said shots over 15 became more consitent.

Mudd · September 11, 2011, 08:29:00 AM

I didn't know I couldn't cant my bow so I'm still shooting it exactly the same as before, canted.

The only change I made is I moved one finger's placement on the string.

Everything else is absolutely the same.

I'm still shooting out to 70 yards and I'm still missing at that range in the same places I was before moving my finger...lol

I've never used my arrow as a sighting tool and still don't.

If I'm doing this 3 under shooting wrong, I'll live with it...lol

God bless,Mudd

Butts2 · September 11, 2011, 08:37:00 AM

3 Under works well for me always has, the question could be Why you shooting at the coffee bag when there is a great looking Rhinehart begging for some arrows right beside

Rob DiStefano · September 11, 2011, 08:42:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Mudd:
I didn't know I couldn't cant my bow so I'm still shooting it exactly the same as before, canted. ...

i didn't say you couldn't cant with 3fu, what i said was ...

"3under feels better to most archers with a more upright shooting form, as opposed to canting - and severe canting with split finger may be near impossible with 3under and there is no "grip" to holding the nock with yer fingers"