Fred Bear scoring?

[britt]

Iam in the process of planning a trad. shoot at Greeley Archers outdoor range. I'v shot a couple shoots that used Fred Bear scoring. Can someone explain the scoring for me? Don't remember.

[Bjorn]

10 and 8 as usual. -5 if you hit the animal elsewhere, and 0 if you miss.

[steadman]

When I've been to shoots that do Fred Bear scoring it's been 5 for a kill shot, -5 for anywhere else in the animal and 0 for a miss.

The ones around here are 10,8,-5,0.

Those minus fives can make a scorecard look REAL ugly!

Bisch

[PeteA]

When we shooting and keep score at a club in CT we use 10 for a kill (8 or 10 ring) and -5 for a non kill shot (anywhere outside the kill zone) and 0 for a clean miss.

[Dave Worden]

There probably is an "official" Fred Bear scoring, but in reality it only matters that you get a good, positive score for a kill shot, a hefty, but not excessive, negative for any other hit, and zero for a miss.  We use a 5,3,1 scoring on 3D's for a "normal" shoot.  If we go Fred Bear, it's 5,3,-3,0.  Basically, we make a heart shot good, a lung shot can be offset with a body shot, and zero for a clean miss.  Pick numbers that make you happy.

[dnovo]

If you really want to hear some complaints, I shot a shoot once with a 5,3, -10 for a wound and zero for a miss. Makes for some interesting conversation. Only shoot I ever won with a negative score

[dragonheart]

I would avoid having a shoot with this type of scoring.  I think you are setting yourself up for unhappy archers and a lack of "fun".

[Fletcher]

Originally posted by dragonheart:
I would avoid having a shoot with this type of scoring.  I think you are setting yourself up for unhappy archers and a lack of "fun".

Classic example of difference of opinions.  Many of us like this method of scoring.  To enjoy it, you do have to check your ego at the door and accept that you aren't shooting for a high score but for a learning experience and fun.  It does emphasize that kills are good and wounds are bad and can add some seriousness to your shooting focus.

[Bjorn]

Gotta' go with Fletch IMO.
We have a FB shoot coming up in a coupla' weeks.

[old_goat2]

Britt at range in Golden and at range in  evergreen it's 12, 10, 8 and -5 and zero for a miss.  Is your shoot going to be open to public?

[Wudstix]

I like the survival shoots, ten targets, one arrow, one point for an arrow in foam, shoot until you can no longer find your arrow or it is no longer shootable.  First trick is to locate the target from the stake, unually just a piece of something sticking out from a rock or tree.  If it is a full target it is usually at a pretty good distance.  Winning scores are usually 5-6 points.

[ron w]

We sometimes use a +1 for a kill judged by your group and a -1 for wound, 0 for a miss. On a 30 target course it can be a real eye opener. And with the right group of guys.......a real blast!! Don't even have to take your shoes off to add'em up sometimes......  

[bamboo]

we ran some shoots with -5's--boy the crying was unbelievable!!and when we suggested passing up shots and taking a zero if they were unsure of the shot--they took to yelling!!!of course I've seen guys cheat to "win"$6.00 trophies!!
IMO its a great way to teach restraint in the field--maybe less than perfect shots should be passed up!

[Dave Lay]

Originally posted by dragonheart:
I would avoid having a shoot with this type of scoring.  I think you are setting yourself up for unhappy archers and a lack of "fun".

yea we had more complaining than you would believe at the last shoot we used this scoring on. Personally, i really like it and would use it on every shoot if it was my decision. But i go to shoots as practice for hunting and to BS with buddies.. . one thing with these type of shoots is you have to keep the targets at decent hunting ranges and situations, if your gonna score it like a hunting shot,and i do agree that taking a zero on a iffy shot should be encouraged.. but few will do it

[reddogge]

Originally posted by bamboo:
we ran some shoots with -5's--boy the crying was unbelievable!!and when we suggested passing up shots and taking a zero if they were unsure of the shot--they took to yelling!!!of course I've seen guys cheat to "win"$6.00 trophies!!
IMO its a great way to teach restraint in the field--maybe less than perfect shots should be passed up!

Funny post. I would think in the spirit of the thing most people would at least give it a try. I know my group would no matter how hard or ridiculous the shot was.

[wingnut]

I shot a shoot years ago that tried this type of scoring.  After a couple of targets I would look at it and if it was not a shot I'd take hunting, I'd pass and say give me a zero.  I was the only shooter with a positive score at the end of the round and was accused of cheating.  When I explained that I only took shots that I would take in hunting the shoot organizers said I had to shoot at every target.  I withdrew and went home.

If you are training folks to not wound make sure you let them not shoot if they don't want too on a target.

Mike

[bartcanoe]

We've been considering using the same type of scoring at our club in a tournament shoot.

These are the first draft of rules

1.  Tournament will be head-to-head, single elimination, 20 shots on 10 targets per round.
2.  Scoring, 8 points for vitals hit, -5 points for non-vitals hit, and 0 for a miss.
3.   Both shooters will choose one shot per target.  The opposing shooter will shoot from the same spot or pass deciding not to shoot.  A pass will be scored as a miss, but will be recorded for a tiebreaker.
4.  Tiebreakers: a.  lowest number of non-vitals hits  b. lowest number of passes

[bamboo]

"I know my group would no matter how hard or ridiculous the shot was."
mine too red--but there wouldn't be a whimper either!!we all know who's "fault" a low score is!!
and take full responsibility for horrible scores!!HAHA!!

bartcanoe --maybe I don't understand

3. "Both shooters will choose one shot per target
with shooters choosing shots "

-unsafe conditions are sure to occur-

-we use stations delineated with stakes-shoot must be in contact w/stake

[bartcanoe]

Mike

Two shooters will compete head-to head.  Shooter A will pick a spot to shoot from, Shooter B would then take a shot from the same spot or pass.  Shooter B would then pick a spot to shoot from, Shooter A would take a shot from the same spot or pass.

I don't see a safety issue perhaps I need to clarify the rule.  The rule is trying to instill a sense of discretion in shot selection.