Miller Longbow shooters

[arrow flynn]

Anybody ever chrono the expedition? I m thinking someone would be curious. Already having everything one could get out of his bows Howard hill must have been looking for more efficiency. Imho.

[jeffg]

I crono my Old tom 168

[Goshawkin]

Originally posted by jeffg:
I crono my Old tom 168

Draw weight&length,arrow weight?

[jeffg]

55#@27  476gr arrow 28" 168fps

[Bible5]

Can you post pics please. I am looking to buy my first HH style bow (lefty!)

[jeffg]

Here is a pic of mine.

[Bible5]

nice...here I am snowed in at work in New Haven looking at Trad Gang!

[Trad Longbow Joe]

I have been on Dave's build list for some time and my spot on the list is coming up.  The problem is I can't decide whether to have him build a Hawk (All Wood) or a Expedition.  The all wood bow sounds great, but I am worried about the longevity of the all wood bow.  Anyone have any thoughts?

[jeffg]

What is the differance between a Expedition and an Old Tom?

[moebow]

I have a Hawk and an Old Tom.  The OT is pretty standard construction, flattened (planed) laminations and standard flat fiber glass.  

My Hawk has no fiber glass and is made with what David calls "concave/convex" construction.  That is the bamboo lams are not planed flat (think of nestled t-spoons.  The Expedition is the same construction as the Hawk but has what I would call "contured" fiberglass on the back of the bow.  It is NOT flat but conforms to the natural curve of the back of the bamboo.

IF you are worried about longevity, I would think you would like the Expedition better.  The Hawk needs a little more TLC (such as unstringing) to avoid common concerns of none fiber glass bows.

Arne

[jeffg]

Does the Expedition give anything that the Old Tom doesn't? "performance, longevity, ect"

[Ron LaClair]

Mine is no glass concave/convex bamboo with Tonkin Cane. David calls it "The Tonkin" and said it is one of a kind. It's 66" 51#@ 27". It's a really sweet shooter so I call it "Sweetheart" I like a deep narrow grip and David shaped it to my liking.          

     

     

   

 

[JohnI]

I have a Hawk, glass backed Expedition and carbon backed Expedition. The best performer is the carbon backed bow. As far as durability if the Hawk is taken care of and not overdrawn it should last a lifetime.

[Ralphie]

Expedition 46@28, "Blackie"
   
   
   
Sage 50@28
   
   
   
Old Tom 45@28
   
   
The only ones missing (still want)...) are a Hawk, and especially a Split Bamboo in about 45-47#. Or a Sage around that #.
And ......The Favorite  ....  which is a Sage, but without the Osage and using Yew.

I shoot them all regularly. The Expedition is the hardest hitting. The smoothest is a toss up between the Old Tom and the Sage. I end up shooting the Old Tom more than the Sage because of the lower #'s. The Sage is probably the most beautiful.
What a harem !

Love my Miller bows !

[Ric O'Shay]

Here is my Expedition.

 
 
 
 

The grip was copied by David from one of Howard's personal bows. Note that there is no leather on the side plate or shelf.

Danny

[Trad Longbow Joe]

Okay guys, you are not making my decision any easier.  Now I am totally up in the air with all these beautiful bows.  I guess I'll just have to flip a coin and put my name on his list again for the other bow that I don't choose. Very nice pictures, I really like the white glass on the Expedition, really sets the bow off nicely.

[Trad Longbow Joe]

On the bows mentioned what are the specs of the limbs; straight, string follow or back set?

[Ralphie]

On mine;
the Expedition is backset,
The Sage is string follow,
The Old Tom is backset

Put your name on for any bow. He will let you know when he will be beginning, so you can finally decide then.

They are all good. Go for the one you know you want. Thinking will only confuse things.

[Ric O'Shay]

My Expedition is 68" 55# @ 28" slight backset.

[jeffg]

My Old Tom is 64" 52#@26 I pull it 27" 55#@27