Stone points for Black Bear?

[razorsharptokill]

How about it? Anyone ever used them or heard any results?

I'm hunting in idaho, in Sept. Are they legal?

[Whip]

Can't tell you if they are legal in Idaho, but I do know of one in Quebec that didn't go far when I ran a Knife River point through his chest    
Stone points are deadly  

[bornagainbowhunter]

Yup, throw rocks at them and they will not go far.

[tippit]

Can't think of a better way...unless you forge your own broadheads    Doc

 

[jason1040]

Here is a link to the Fish and Game rules  http://www.fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/hunt/rules/bg/rules.pdf

From what I understand it only addresses that there are to be no mechanical broadheads. And that they must be wider than 7/8" and not barbed. Do your own checking on it, but it didn't state that it had to be made of steel.

What area will you be hunting?

Good luck.

[Tom Phillips]

Heck Yea STONE POINTS (made by TG Member Woodie "Knife River" Blackwell) work on Black Bears like WHIP & TIPPIT I have successfully Harvested 2 Black Bears In Canada with them and am a Member of  TEAM Knife River as well.I also was successful on another Black Bear with Stone Point made by TG member TED FRY.

[Ragnarok Forge]

American Indians made a living using stone points and many a bear including Grizzlies and Polar Bears have died from them over the millenia.

[ozy clint]

put it where it counts and they will zip though a blackbear. i have a couple of woodie's points that hopefully will bring down some pigs and a scrub bull in the next month. stone is amazingly good at cutting flesh! you wouldn't think so when you rub your finger along the edge of a stone tool but if you've ever taken to an animal with a stone knife you soon realise why the ancients survived and thrived......it cuts!

[razorsharptokill]

That is what I found. No barbs and not less than 7/8" wide. How about this one? Think it will work? It will be out of a 62"ntn 55lb @28" sinew backed Osage longbow.

It is 312 gr, 1" 3/8" wide, 2 1/2" long. I'll have to chip the barbs off though.
 
I think one a little more 3 to 1 ratio would be a better pentrator. I'm a beliver in Kniferiver's take on what stone points work.

This may work better.

[moosenelson]

Bears and deer are about the same thing as far as what you need to kill them.  I don't use stone points cuz I don't know how to make em, but I wouldn't hesitate to use them.

[getstonedprimitivebowhunt]

I'd use a head a bit smaller ...but if it flys good and not to far ... go for it...Jeff

[tippit]

As to size, these have all shoot right through black bears for me.  When I first saw Woody's stone head mounted, I thought it would bounce off...Wrong     Doc

Left to right:

Team Tippit forged head 300gr
Woody's stone point
Wensel Woodsman 125gr with 110gr steel insert

 

[razorsharptokill]

What did that stone point weigh?

[JimB]

You need to find out how your state defines barbed.I think that head would be considered barbed in a lot of states.There should be plenty of good designs that wouldn't be.

[razorsharptokill]

Idaho regs state that it has to be 90 degrees to the edge I believe.

[razorsharptokill]

Yeah I think this head is a little too wide and not tapered enough. I have some that will do better. My selfbow is 55lbs @28.

I was going to bring my BW recurve and my selfbow. Two tags.. two bows.

[Bill Skinner]

I prefer a side notch like the one shown.  I would go for about 1 1/8" wide and about 2 1/4" long.  I also like the hafting area no thicker than 1/2 the thickness of my shaft.  Any thicker and it is not supported and will split or break the shaft if it hits bone.  I also prefer a beveled edge, it will leave a little more strength in the point.  Bill

[razorsharptokill]

I have a flint and two obsidian points that will fit the bill I believe. Shot the flint point yesterday. It is on a rivercane shaft I cut with wild turkey feathers that I harvested. It shoots well out of my selfbow.

Here is the flint point.
 

A Dacite point.


The tiger striped obsidian point at 4 o'clock.

[KBE]

I shot a 275# black bear last month with one of Woody's heads.  The head was a touch longer than 3" and a bit wider than 1 1/8".  It weighed 214gr. for a total arrow weight of 590gr. on a tonkin cane shaft.  This combination flew well out of my 48# osage-sinew bow made by Ted Fry.

[razorsharptokill]

How did it perform? How thick is a bear hide? Like deer?