Bow Quiver Effect Bow Performance??

mrpenguin · February 19, 2010, 08:33:00 AM

Hey Everyone...

I have noticed that whenever I use a bow quiver, my shooting diminishes. Case-in-point: Just got a PSR, put a nice Black Widow embossed Great Northern strap on quiver and I began to struggle with my groups... I take it off, bam, groups tighten back up...

What are your experiences like??

Benny Nganabbarru · February 19, 2010, 08:36:00 AM

Many people find that bow quivers affect their shooting or arrow tuning.

However, many people also find that bow quivers do not affect their shooting or arrow tuning.

I fall into the latter category.

Bill Carlsen · February 19, 2010, 08:41:00 AM

Adding physical weight to your riser by attaching a quiver will frequently cause you to shoot left (if you are a righty) because the added weight causes the bow to remain in position longer than without the weight upon release. One solution is to get a lighter spined shaft, up your point weight, shoot longer arrows, etc.

acadian archer · February 19, 2010, 08:43:00 AM

I have found , in the past at least, that putting on my Selway has no effect on my shooting. I don't know how my new quiver will affect my new Chek Hunter 2 but I suspect it will have no significant effect.In the past I have attached the quiver as soon as I purchased the bow.

I think the key is to practice, lots, with the quiver on. Without practice the extra weight, not but but it is extra, may be affecting how you hold or how you release.

J. Cook · February 19, 2010, 08:46:00 AM

I have noticed no effects, but to that point -- on bows I hunt with using a bow mounted quiver...that quiver does not come off, meaning I practice year round with that quiver on there. I think you have to make that choice, and practice with your hunting equipment, as it will be set up hunting.

So to answer the original question, no...I noticed zero difference on any of my bows when a quiver was mounted.

mrpenguin · February 19, 2010, 09:04:00 AM

Thanks guys... seems like it may be more 'in my head' than I thought... I certainly prefer having the quiver on, so its time to practice, practice, practice!

D. Key · February 19, 2010, 09:19:00 AM

You might try a smaller 3 or 4 arrow quiver. I use Thunderhorn 4 arrow mini boa and love them. I've got 2 longbows and one Fox Breed and can change from one to the other in about a minute. It doesn't affect my shooting at all.

GMMAT · February 19, 2010, 09:22:00 AM

QuoteAdding physical weight to your riser by attaching a quiver will frequently cause you to shoot left (if you are a righty) because the added weight causes the bow to remain in position longer than without the weight upon release. One solution is to get a lighter spined shaft, up your point weight, shoot longer arrows, etc.

This was my experience....exactly! I know, for me, it wasn't in my head.

I also added heavier silencers (mitigating factor, as well), but when I added my bow mounted quiver, I had to add 1" to my arrows (or, cut them LESS.....lol) to offset the added mass weight of the riser's effect on my shooting. The bow with the quiver attached was also a limb combo that saw my arrow speed INCREASE (limbs were 6#'s heavier)....but the dynamic spine required was that the heavier (Mass and DW) bow wanted a weaker spined arrow.

Good post.

joevan125 · February 19, 2010, 09:24:00 AM

Eagle Flights Quivers are light and strap on your bow very tight with velcro.

I find i can shoot better using these quivers because it gives the bow just enough added weight to the riser and makes it more steady.

I also have a Kwikee quiver insert on my PSA X and i love being able to pop the quiver right off but i can still shoot very well with it on.

Manitoba Stickflinger · February 19, 2010, 09:29:00 AM

No effect at all for me!

RC · February 19, 2010, 09:32:00 AM

Gotta go with Bill C on this one. Seems anytime I put a quiver on my bow it stiffens the arrows a bit. I have noticed it on every bow I`ve owned.I don`t mean so much that the arrows fly crazy but I can tell it. I started shooting a tad weaker arrow on bows with quivers and no problem.I do tend to shoot better with recurves with quivers on them. RC

twitchstick · February 19, 2010, 09:40:00 AM

It will effect it to some degree but if you practice with it on you get use to it. I shoot with mine with one arrow out just like hunting. Chuck Adams did a good study on this. I know he's a wheelie guy but it shows the affects. I tried to hunt with a side and back quivers but I still prefer to have mine on the bow,I am just too habitual.

DVSHUNTER · February 19, 2010, 09:41:00 AM

puttin on a quiver definitely CAN change the flight of an arrow. I have had to retune my arrows EVERY time I put on a strap on or slide on quiver. If it is anywhere that the limbs bend even a little it slows down that limb and will affect arrow flight. I have notneeded to retune when using a bolt on quiver.

Ground Hunter · February 19, 2010, 10:07:00 AM

They say that you can get use to anything - not bow quivers. I do not like them. H

mrpenguin · February 19, 2010, 10:19:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by GMMAT:

QuoteAdding physical weight to your riser by attaching a quiver will frequently cause you to shoot left (if you are a righty) because the added weight causes the bow to remain in position longer than without the weight upon release. One solution is to get a lighter spined shaft, up your point weight, shoot longer arrows, etc.

This was my experience....exactly! I know, for me, it wasn't in my head.

I also added heavier silencers (mitigating factor, as well), but when I added my bow mounted quiver, I had to add 1" to my arrows (or, cut them LESS.....lol) to offset the added mass weight of the riser's effect on my shooting. The bow with the quiver attached was also a limb combo that saw my arrow speed INCREASE (limbs were 6#'s heavier)....but the dynamic spine required was that the heavier (Mass and DW) bow wanted a weaker spined arrow.

Good post. [/b]

Thanks for that! I will try using a lighter spined arrow and see where it gets me... the trick is I am playing around with EFOC and heavy arrows, so maybe I need to put that down for a bit and go lighter spine and just get good flight for now... I won't be hunting moose or anything anytime soon thanks to the taxman...

The bow is a PSR III pulling about 55@28"... I am thinking about trying a 400 spine carbon with 100 grain inserts cut to about 29.5"and then adjusting tip weight until they group. That should work nicely

JimB · February 19, 2010, 10:37:00 AM

I don't think the EFA quivers affect anything.Regardless of what type bow quiver I use,I put it on the bow along with everything else that will be on the bow for hunting,then tune a set of arrows to that bow.Also,before tuning,I have 2 strings built for it and after tuning and the first is well broken in,I set the other one up exactly the same and the first becomes my spare.

I do see some quivers mounted forward of the riser or way out to the side.I suspect these may affect shooting more.I modify my quivers when needed,to be as close to the bow as is practical.

It sounds like you just got the PSR so maybe you are using a set of arrows that weren't tuned specifically for this bow with the quiver? This may be your problem.

I should say,I have shot with bow quivers for 45 years so I am very used to them and maybe some people just can't use them.maybe differences in grip or some other aspect of form makes it different.

I suspect sometimes it is sometimes just a state of mind.The bow quiver was invented to be on the bow while hunting.that is the way I have always used them.Since the compound craze,the practice of removing the quiver before shooting came about,rather than tuning the bow with it on.

I think people transitioning from that gear to traditional may not like them.If you want to use them,set your bow up with it and fill it with arrows,minus one,just like you will take a hunting shot.After trying and giving the thing a real fair shot,if you still don't like it,take it off.Everybody will never be the same.how boring it would be if we all were.

There are plenty of other options.they wouldn't exist if there weren't plenty of people not wanting to use bow quivers.Good luck.

Bjorn · February 19, 2010, 10:58:00 AM

Bow quivers are like a necessary evil-if the quiver is completely isolated from the limbs-I get a minimal effect.
Taking it off and shooting 'bare-back' is really liberating for me!

rraming · February 19, 2010, 11:08:00 AM

I believe each bow is different and each quiver is different - trial and error. I have a longbow that I can not find a quiver which will not hamper performance so I use a side quiver with that bow. The quiver attached to the riser is best, the farther out on the riser/limbs you go the worse it gets.

cbCrow · February 19, 2010, 11:47:00 AM

I use a Thunderhorn BOA and love the thing, however with it on my LB I have to change the position of my hand just a little or the arrows move left on me. Just took some practice to get acclimated. :D

Jerry Wald · February 19, 2010, 12:16:00 PM

It has been sadi a million times

WHEN TUNING:

You should tune it the way you are going to shoot it....brace height-nock point-silencers-quiver/no quiver-one arrow out of the quiver like your about to shoot-glove-tab-bow hand glove-rest-you name it.

You can have it all tuned and still hit your BIG BULK COAT SLEEVE TOO.

Jer Bear