Introducing the Black Swan Wave FD Charts added

DVSHUNTER · February 22, 2010, 09:58:00 PM

you gonna send one to walk the talk? I'd like to shoot one there.

vermonster13 · February 22, 2010, 10:12:00 PM

That would be up to Arvid.

The bow is quiet to folks. Smooth and fast don't matter much if it isn't quiet.

ishiwannabe · February 22, 2010, 10:15:00 PM

I very much wanted to shoot that bow, but I completely forgot it was going to be there. Didnt seem to get to say hi to you either Dave, and Im sorry about that.
Looks like a very interesting bow.

vermonster13 · February 22, 2010, 10:22:00 PM

Sent you a PM Jamie. No worries.

DVSHUNTER · February 22, 2010, 10:23:00 PM

if you want to send one, I will be there with L82HUNT we would love to bring it even for you.

Predator Man · February 23, 2010, 12:36:00 AM

Vermonster, thats a sizeable difference in brace height. A simple minded person like myself would be inclined to believe that the back mount would have far better speed ratings at a 28" draw than the belly mount model. Am I correct that the back mount is only offered in the metal riser currently? Sorry about all the questions. Your probably getting tired of me but I get excited about a new speed bow

vermonster13 · February 23, 2010, 07:35:00 AM

The wood riser is going to be back mount only, so you can choose wood or alloy. The belly mount is alloy only to keep the riser stiff enough for the limbs. VtMtnMan and I spent the day shooting the waves on the back mount riser yesterday. We were shooting AD Big Games on it with 100 grain points. It made a 50@28 bow. The back mount is the way to go for 28" and under draws for serious speed. It has 3" more power-stroke and is very efficient for medium to short draws. The belly mount shines for longer draws. Either will work for either draw, but they are more efficient for different draw lengths.

Chris Surtees · February 23, 2010, 07:38:00 AM

Looks like Arvid has created another shooter

Jesse Peltan · February 23, 2010, 03:11:00 PM

That does look really smooth out to 28 but then it gains 3# per inch out to 32. Isn't 3# per inch pretty normal for a 60# bow? Maybe not to 32in but out to 30? Wouldn't that make it stacky for a 45# bow? Do you have amo testing for this bow? I'd like to see the draw force curve for a bow that's 60#@30in. It'll still probably be pretty smooth but I don't know how the testing at the lighter draw weights correlates to the draw force curve at 60#. Also do you know the speed at AMO specs?

vermonster13 · February 23, 2010, 03:44:00 PM

3# an inch is pretty normal for most bows. The back mount riser will give a real efficient/fast bow for 30" and less draws. The Bellymount will be good out to 32" and beyond. With an ILF bow you set the preload on the limbs to match draw length, these risers will do that for draw length through design.

Won't be charting a 60# bow anytime soon. The chart should track the same as this though. The AMO numbers will be done up once a few other projects get done or when Herb M gets done with his testing.

vtmtnman · February 23, 2010, 04:40:00 PM

I don't think you could find a stiff enough arrow to test it 60@30".Even at 50@28" we had to use a 30" .250 spine arrow. :eek:

Predator Man · February 23, 2010, 07:01:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by vtmtnman:
I don't think you could find a stiff enough arrow to test it 60@30".Even at 50@28" we had to use a 30" .250 spine arrow. :eek:

that's stiff... sure you can find a stiff enough arrow. 2614 with no tip full length..... Heavy enough and stiff enough

vtmtnman · February 23, 2010, 07:19:00 PM

And have half way decent FOC/mass...it'd be a chore.

This bow 50@28" would blow through any deer around.

vermonster13 · February 23, 2010, 10:02:00 PM

The mold for the 56" Wave limbs was finished today so now it is available in 62", 58" and 56".

Greg Owen · February 23, 2010, 10:11:00 PM

What is the recommended max draw for the 56"?

vitalinvader · February 23, 2010, 10:28:00 PM

Has Arvid tried the limbs on the DAS platform yet? Good news on the 56", that would make a 60" on a seventeen inch riser

vermonster13 · February 23, 2010, 11:03:00 PM

At this point he is holding off on doing an ILF with these, he'd have to change the limb butts to work on a DAS.

You'll be fine with a 56" at your draw Greg.

Greg Owen · February 23, 2010, 11:41:00 PM

Thanks Dave. Now to make the call. So this bow is faster than the hybrid? All I can say is I am anxious to shoot one and get it on high speed video.

Jesse Peltan · February 23, 2010, 11:56:00 PM

Looking at the charts, the bow is only 34#@28in. Don't most 34# bows pull 1-2# per inch from 20-28? I don't think that light draw weights can accurately represent the true smoothness of the draw on this bow.
I read on another forum that this bow is shooting over 210Amo. Is this true? If so how much over? I know that fedora has a bow shooting 218Amo. Would this bow be faster?

Bender · February 24, 2010, 08:14:00 PM

I see from the f/d curve that it actually dips below the line that would be generated by plotting a simple linear spring. Compared to the f/d curves of other hybrid longbows the Wave does have an early increase in draw weight and energy storage but then gives that up and actually loses some energy storage later in the draw. Is this trade off in performance what gives it the feeling of smoothness later in the draw?