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100gn insert+100gn tip vs 50gn insert+150gn tip

Started by Flemish Twister, December 28, 2025, 09:44:11 AM

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Mike Bolin, Ryan Rothhaar, ohiodoeslayer, Kodiak Fan, Flemish Twister, hot hap 1, Kelly and 9 Guests are viewing this topic.

Flemish Twister

Aside from reduced broad head blade size with 100gn, I'm wondering if there is a significant effect to arrow flight with more weight out front of the arrow vs more inside the shaft?
Was just playing around with some arrows and only had 100gn inserts on hand which got me to think'in how that might impact shaft spine
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Orion

Not enough difference for most to recognize.  I do both and can't detect a difference.

Arctic Hunter

#2
This is interesting. I've done a lot of research on this exact topic lately. I shoot 5mm shafts and have probably been nerding out on trying to build a more forgiving setup. I've had bows that just tuned easier than others, and I've tried to figure out why.

I've noticed that Olympic and barebow shooters try to keep the arrow node behind the rest. There was a good explanation by a barebow shooter on how that creates a more consistent paradox of the shaft as it leaves the bow, and a more forgiving paradox to a bad release. Looking back at the arrow setups, I've noticed the easiest tuning and most forgiving set ups all had a longer insert and the arrow shaft was cut almost to the riser to get good bare shaft flight. Which I hypothesized was moving the arrow node back behind the pivot point on the strike plate. I checked my current arrow setups ups, which I've had some issues with, and all the nodes were in front of the pivot point.

I guess my theory is, it might not make a lot of difference in how much the shaft flexes or the dynamic spine, but it could make a difference in how consistent the shaft flexes around the riser and leaves the bow. I'm going to try some longer inserts and lighter tips to move the node, just to see if it makes a difference.

Idk... I'm bored, currently injured, and need something to tinker with.

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Flemish Twister

#3
Love it when I learn something new!  Arrow node is something I never heard of before Arctic Hunter.  Thanks for that!
Oberon Recurve 60" 40#
October Mountain Carbon Z ILF Riser Das Long bow Limbs 62" 42#
Red Wing Hunter 58" 45#
1956 Bear Kodiak 64" 48#
Eagle X9 58" 40#
DIY Lam Long bow 64" 70++#

Stringwacker

#4
The further the center mass of the weights are extended; the more they have an effect on reducing the dynamic spine of the shaft...so weights in the shaft will not weaken the shaft as much as the same weight would in front of the arrow (like in a broadhead).

But as others have said, if your bare shaft is tuned well; its not usually going to make a difference that you can see when the feathers are placed on the shaft
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BAbassangler

I've noticed a difference, and sometimes I haven't, But only on bareshafts.  I will say thank you to Mr Arctic for the node education.  A certain setup was flying great, but always trying new things, I switched to the long Al inserts, and some were longer yet with AL weights added.  My best flying shafts ever with a fixed blade.  Magnus varieties, and a No Mercy.  Would I still hunt with the shorter brass insert? Absolutely, I think when you're shooting the most natural-spined arrow for your bow, that overall weight up front is the biggest factor
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