Super D vs Whip?

[tzolk]

Hey guys, currently I am shooting a 66" Toelke classic whip and was wondering if any of you have shot a Super D AND a Whip and have comparative thoughts you can share. Arrow speed, smoothness, etcetera...... Thanks

[Brianlocal3]

Hi Todd,
Long time bud. How's the family been? You know I'd say go super D. I like the straight limbed bows, but I hope you get the answer your looking for.

[Lamey]

Unless you just want a "D" when strung bow,  the Whip is a better overall bow in my view.  The ones I have hed were just as quiet, faster and more "dead" on release.  Both great bows though,  but for overall manners and performance the Whip.

[TxAg]

Try sending a PM to Jim Wright.

[Jim Wright]

I shoot both and each of them is extremely smooth-drawing, the Whip a bit faster, the Super D a tiny bit quieter but it's like noticing one Miss America finalist is a tiny bit prettier than another one.
It might have something to do with not being the sharpest knife in the drawer but I find the newer H.S. Whips to be the finest bows I have ever shot and am shooting Super Ds a majority of the time. It's hard to put my finger on it but there is something about them that I really like.

[LongStick64]

I have a D, not a Super D and it has a phenolic riser due to the Bow Bolt, It's dead in the hand, very soft thump and it is a pleasure to shoot and very attractive to look at it with the juniper veneers.

[Jedimaster]

Sorry for being slightly off topic but what is the difference between a Whip and the HS Whip?

[Jim Wright]

On the 58", 60" & 62" newer H.S. Whips the limbs have been re-designed a bit, they are faster but still maintain if not actually improve upon the superb manners of the original Whip. I believe the 64" and the 66" Whips are unchanged.

[tzolk]

Any idea why Dan would change the limbs on the shorter bows?  His site says the 64 and 66 inch bows were right where they wanted them but the shorter bows were improved.  For a given draw, say 30, would a his longer 66 have a cast advantage over a 62 due to its quicker recovery to its strung shape as a result of less limb bend?

[Jedimaster]

Thanks for the Whip info Jim. Interesting thread. Does the Super D have any reflex or set-back or is it strictly a straight limbed longbow?

[House]

Jedi, call Dan.  It's like talking to a long lost relative. The man is a wealth of knowledge and as good a gent as I've ever encountered.

Travis

[tzolk]

These pics were sent to me. Here is the Super D

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[tzolk]

[Jim Wright]

The Super Ds have very slight back set, if you lay one un-strung back of bow on a straight surface the gap at the riser is 3/8". Mine are 64"s and easily accomodate my 29" draw. I have described the bow's manners a bit but another area where it shines is the almost non-existent hand shock. To describe it as even a slight thump is an overstatement. It is more of a pulse and I have shot arrows from a little under 10 to 1 up to 13 to 1 through mine. As I've mentioned I like'em and there is something sort of magical about them that's hard to put your finger on.

[tzolk]

Here is a Super D and a Classic  Whip. Same specs 66" 55@28,  7 1/4 brace.  

[pdk25]

Beautiful bows, Todd.  Good luck with that new Super D.

[Brianlocal3]

Gorgeous collection there Todd

[awbowman]

The whip will be a little more efficient,  but to my eye, the Super D is all that I want or need to get the job done.

[tzolk]

Thanks fellas!

I was just outside shooting both tonight and the whip is a tad faster. I don't have a chrono so not sure exactly how much. The D has a 12 strand ff string and the whip has a 9 strand ultra-cam string. That may make a difference as well in a speed advantage for the whip. The D IS quieter though.