if your just trying out the whole ILF thing...might i suggest a 21" hoyt excel. i got one for my first ILF and love it. the riser was $135.00 at the local dealer and i bought a pair of tradtech carbonwoods off the classifieds for $150. its an outstanding setup. the riser is very, very similiar to my dorado, minus the ILF connection

Hello, I've just recently got into the ilf thing my self. I've got a Morrison phenolic mini 14 riser and a set of $120 dollar greatree limbs.And really love it.The riser is plus 10#.My limbs are 40# longs makeing a 58" bow very very smooth 50# draw with one turn out on the limb bolts.I've got a set of xxl limbs on order from dryad.These will make a 62" long bow i can hardly wait.I really like the whole ilf system.You cant beat Morrison's riser's.Thank's Jim

The whole key to the ILF thing is the limbs. Simply stated, the better the limbs the better the performance. Risers can be expensive or not, metal, wood, or phenolic, long or short. The difference in performance will be in the limbs you choose.

I've been shooting Winex limbs on my DAS riser since they first came out. Had to go down in weight and bought a set of Border HEX 5 limbs. I didn't think I would ever find better limbs than the Winex but the Borders are just fantastic. Best limbs I have shot so far.

whats the difference between the winex limbs and the border hex 5 limbs? Do they feel smoother, is it a difference in speed. Do you shoot of the shelf or use a rest? I would like to use a rest and plunger setup. I think it would be easier to tune my arrows.

VERMONSTER13  So the morrisons riser is tapped for sights and a elevated rest, whats the other hole for your plunger. Sorry this is all new to me just trying to figure out what I like and see which riser would best suit me.

i agree with bill, ILF bows are all about the limbs. i like my titan with all 3 grips, but depending on the limbs i use i can make the bow totally different. my vote is for hoyt limbs though.

babs: I do use a rest and plunger...makes tuning and shooting accurately (for me) much better.

The difference in the Winex and Border limbs has to do with performance. I rather like fast bows but not at the expense of being less accurate. The Winex limbs are carbon and foam constructions and are very quick, quiet and accurate. Sid at Border is big on speed and what he calls "torsional stability" which has to do with how much the limbs tourque when drawing and shooting. I find the Border limbs to be very fast and very stable. My groups at 20 yards with them seem to be tighter than with the Winex. Having said that, I would not hesitate to shoot Winex limbs again if I had to go down in weight again. I had heard so many good things about the Border limbs and the price was about the same I decided to give them a try. Glad I did. By the way, the Border limbs have a wood core. I was told by Sid at Border that the foam would not give me $100 worth of improvement. I am very pleased with my decision.

Up until  about 2 years ago the only company in the US making ILF limbs was Hoyt. All the rest were from Europe, Korea, Japan and China. Now there are any number of US companies making the limbs so choices and competition is making limbs easier to come by but more confusing since the limbs come in various levels of performance. In general, the higher end limbs have minor differences between them but they outshine the lower price limbs in performance. Limbs from Korea are generally held in highest esteem for performance. It will be interesting to see what the future holds for the US bowyers. In other words, the ILF HUNTING bows are still evolving and since hunting in Europe and Asia is pretty much non existent the US market will, no doubt, determine the direction of ILF limb evolution.

In my opinion, one of the benefits of using ILF limbs has been the ability to use lighter arrows without the fear of of limbs (or warranties) blowing up.  I'm not talking about super light, but 7-8 gpp instead of the customary 9-10+ gpp.  

It will be interesting to see how the new "custom" offerings like Morrison, Dryad, Border, and others perform in that regard, or what they set as their minumum.

Studied the pics above and may have the answer to a question I have - the Morrison shelf looks slightly radiused, is that correct?

David

I don't believe that Border would like be to be shooting light arrows from the HEX 5's. I like an arrow that is in the 10 grains per pound range. My Beman  MFX's with  200 grain Razorcaps weight in right about 575-580 grains...perfect for my new 57# Borders.

Thanks Bill Carlsen I looked at the border web page but its under construction, I really didn't know what I was looking at. I cant tell what limbs I would need or even where to begin looking at the charts. What rest and plunger do you prefer on your dalaa, I have my search narrowed down to the dalaa and morrison and sky. All have a little of each that i prefer. thanks

The Morrison has plunger holes for off the shelf or with an elevated rest and yes the shelf has a slight radius for shooting off of it.

I have a set of the older [ now out of production ] Hoyt G3 [long] R/C limbs on my phenolic and zebrawood mini 14 riser, and am very happy with them... Mine make a 57# bow on the short "Mini" riser.... these limbs were virtually "like New" and I only had to shell out $175 for them here in the classifieds.    They were painted flat black and with a set of one stringers adhesive backed set of skins, I added, they are just the ticket.

If you get a Dalaa I would recommend the Shorty plunger from 3R. I am not sure about the Morrison riser. If you get that one I would simply ask Bob what he would recommend. From the design of the Morrison riser I think it would also like the Shorty plunger. I have an older plunger on mine because I was careless with my Shory and ruined it so I replaced it with a standard plunger I had from the old days. It sticks out a bit but seems to work just fine.

My Morrison Mini Metal came with the Shorty plunger, I think it was 20.00 extra. Bob has them in stock I believe.

How does one determine the best riser length for a bow? For example, short riser with long limbs will give you a similar overall bow length as a long riser with shorter limbs.

I am 25" draw and was wondering what would be the best configuration for a bow used primarily for 3D and target.