Hitting Ribs!!!!!

Fletcher · November 03, 2009, 08:40:00 AM

You can't get to the heart/lungs without going thru the ribs. Just figure that you're gonna hit one one plan accordingly.

Sharpster · November 03, 2009, 08:51:00 AM

Luke,

Hitting or missing a rib bone on a whitetail should be of no concern whatsoever. Expect to hit them, plan to hit them, it's gonna happen almost every time. Even at 40# a well tuned arrow/broadhead combination should barely even slow down when penetrating a whitetail rib. There must be something else goin on. What was the total arrow weight (including the BH) of the shaft that bounced off the deer?

Ron

Apex Predator · November 03, 2009, 10:39:00 AM

Shoot a 450+ grain arrow and a two blade broad head if you want to shoot through critters with that bow routinely.

Warchild · November 03, 2009, 03:39:00 PM

Just shot a mature Doe this morning with my 51# Schafer Silvertip and passed clean through hitting and breaking ribs on both sides. The deer was 17 yards away and I used a 512 total grain spruce wood arrow with a large Zwickee Delta head. If you are hitting ribs and not getting penetration, you have a serious issue with your setup. First off your arrows are probably way too light especially if you are only shooting 40#. Many here will tell you that 40# is fine for whitetails, but in my opinion that isn't enough weight for an ethical kill every time therefore I would try to go heavier. Also, shoot heavy arrows with your light setup.

va · November 03, 2009, 03:55:00 PM

Props to Longhunter95 for asking. We are all on a journey and LH95 is now a few steps farther along than he was.

I think the "bust a rib" question has been answered above, so my advice may be pointless.

I say, work to step up draw-weight until you can shoot a 45-50# bow at 25" draw. There have been plenty of deer taken w/ 45# and the right arrow set-up.

Once again Longhunter95 - Thanks for asking. I wonder about optimal arrow weight and spine and my head starts to hurt...

Over&Under · November 03, 2009, 05:34:00 PM

I shot a buck once(mule deer)and hit it waaaay back,(long story) in fact right in the hip.

After trailing the buck and getting a second arrow in the chest, I examined the first shot, which absolutly shattered the socket joint. If you have seen the hip joint on a deer it is by far a heavier bone than a rib, and I got almost full arrow penetration after destroying the hip bone.

I was shooting a 53# longbow with GT 3555 100 grain brass inserts and a 150 grain Zephyr Scirocco 2 blade.

I agree it might be bad arrow flight, angled shot, low arrow weight, etc or a combo of a few things.

30coupe · November 03, 2009, 06:22:00 PM

I would add, make sure you are using cut on contact broadheads. With that light draw, that would be a must, preferably a two blade. It also has to be scary sharp. Deer ribs don't amount to anything unless you are hitting them up near the spine. Add a dull broadhead to a light arrow, short power stroke, and low poundage and it may have bounced off the hide.

Pick any quality two blade (there are tons of them: Magnus, Zwickey, etc.), make it sharp, get the total weight up to 450-500 grains, keep the weight forward as much as possible (high front of center), and you should be fine. Working up in draw and/or draw length wouldn't hurt a thing either.

There are lots of people who will help you out here. You came to the right place.

Don Batten · November 03, 2009, 07:15:00 PM

Hey Luke, call me anytime you want to chat about this. 252 636 7665. I want to get you on the right track.

luke and his twin brother are maybe 15 now? Ive never been around kids as nice and gungho as they are.

Luke, call me. Don

acadian archer · November 03, 2009, 07:55:00 PM

shot a 320 lb black bear hitting using 475 grain XX75 arrows and 125 grain Steel Force Sabertooth broadheads from a 41 lb recurve. Blew through ribs on one side with a big exit wound on the other side.

check your arrow flight. as for wounded/lost versus killed the ratio should be very very small. Stay in your effective range, be it 12 or 25 yards, take only broadside shots, use super sharp broadheads. watch the hit, WAIT two hours then track. If you lose bloodtrail then DO a grid search with your compass and GPS to find the deer. look 300 yards in grid and you're guaranteed to find him.

BradLantz · November 03, 2009, 08:05:00 PM

heavy will change your bowhunting life !!

November 03, 2009, 08:35:00 PM

I have seen one 244 dressed killed with a 50lb. @ 26". The first arrow went through one rib and cracked a rib on the other side. the second arrow hit 4 inches higher as the deer was going down and skipped off and over the buck. I have also seen a big fellow not be able to get his bow back more than 19 inches when he was shooting at a small buck, his arrow flew terrible and he only got a couple inches of penetration, no deer. It is possible to gain draw length so long as it doesn't totally ruin your alignments and thus your accuracy, but do not get yourself over bowed. I am not sure about getting carried away with too heavy of an arrow out of a lighter pull bow with a short draw is the cure all in this situation either. I have seen lots of deer get taken with under forty pound recurves with clean flying 460 grain arrows without one loss, so I never tell someone to bust their chops and their bank accounts to go a bit heavier. In this case we may be dealing with a young man that has abilities that can get the job done. Perhaps a raise in the arrow weight and with good arrow flight coupled with a good two blade head and a stronger shot next time will do the trick. He has proven that he has the stuff to get the shot, that is a good start.

Dave Bulla · November 03, 2009, 09:05:00 PM

Luke, I sent you a message with some tips.

John Dill · November 04, 2009, 08:22:00 AM

Luke

I talked with your dad on this subject about your setup. Come by the shop. This problem is an easy fix good buddy!

Terry Green · November 04, 2009, 10:55:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by John Dill:
Luke

I talked with your dad on this subject about your setup. Come by the shop. This problem is an easy fix good buddy!

Ssamac · November 04, 2009, 04:35:00 PM

One factor not mentioned is that the blade should be super sharp - razor sharp. And the tip a true point. If your broadhead is dull, this could also happen I would guess.

Are you using a 3 blade or 2 blade broadhead? There are broadheads made for compound bows with a punch point before the blades that really don't work very well on trad gear. What kind of broadhead are you using and is it super sharp. Like the above, I have not had the experience of an arrow "bouncing off" a deer because of the ribcage. If you hit the deer on the top/back it could glance off the deer and take off. Not the ribs, however.

sam

Bobby Urban · November 04, 2009, 08:08:00 PM

Luke it can be done and you are definitely on the right track. My wife shot her first deer this year with a 35@28 Bear Recurve and she is drawing 25" or so. She is shooting 1816 eastons and Wensel woodsman heads. She hit the deer in the spine and it went right down but her second shot passed right through. With the right arrows you will get good penetration for sure. I am thinking you may have hit the shoulder blade and not a rib - possibly even the leg bone. Use the resources available here, these folks will not let you down.
Good luck - Bob Urban