I do not use the bow data with stu. I bare shafted with carbon (does not break as fast). and used the results to find the wood spine and it worked well for me. For the bow data I machted it with the arrow data with personal factor 5!!!!!!. A hill bow is much powerfuller that standard data on stu.
In my case and reading here with more people this the fact.

Mark

Yep a good Hill is better performer than a generic self bow.

QuoteOriginally posted by ChrisM:
Yep a good Hill is better performer than a generic self bow.

And a good self bow is better than a generic hill??

QuoteOriginally posted by tg2nd:
 

QuoteOriginally posted by ChrisM:
Yep a good Hill is better performer than a generic self bow.

And a good self bow is better than a generic hill?? [/b]

Agreed!
Tried one several years ago and hung up the idea of shooting one it was so bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbCGoqk3S4s&feature=related

don't know if this is on here or not, Howard Video

Finally got my setup finished. I'm shooting a 60 @27 Liberty English. I'm drawing spot on at 28 now that I've got my bent arm form down. shooting 31.5" gold tip 75-95 with a 250grn head and 50grn insert. Total arrow weight 680 grains and they fly like darts. Thanks to everyone for advice and the freely given information. I don't post a ton because I tend to adhere to the Mark Twain rule "better to stay quiet and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"

Going to make the move and get me a hill Cheetah.Anybody have any feedback on that model??

Whats a good grip for small hands?This will be my first hill.

3F, just tell Craig your hand size, as he is able to make the grip to match. Also, there really isn't too much difference in how the various models perform, and it is mostly about individual aesthetic preferences. The Crocodile is thought to be the slowest by two or three fps in general, due to the extra weight in that timber. Performance difference is negligable. Choose one you like (well, you've already chosen) and go for it!

QuoteOriginally posted by 3Feathers:
Going to make the move and get me a hill Cheetah.Anybody have any feedback on that model??

I don't know what poundage you want, but Craig has several Cheetahs already built on the in stock section.
They may have one that he can try. This way you could tell him to make the grip a little smaller if you need be.

Darren

I already have pics of a couple of his stock cheetah's including the one with the cocobolo riser. I have grip specs on them as well and none of them are very large. PM me and I will hook you up with that information if you want it. I was planning to buy the cocobolo Cheetah but went a different route. It is one of the prettiest bows I have ever seen.

Cocobola is one of my favorite woods.

One thing to know any combo that has juniper outer laminations Craig calls a cheetah unless you want it called something different so you can personalize the core mine has 4 lams of bamboo, a big 5/cheetah 60ish# @ 28 68" smooth
and fast

I really like my Cheetah. It's beautiful to look at and shoots just as well 66", 45@28, (pulls 48lbs), slightly dished grip.

I took measurements of depth and width for the grip, as well as 2 pictures of a grip shape I really liked from another bow, and he copied it nicely.  That's the only way I'll do it moving forward!!

QuoteOriginally posted by Overspined:
I took measurements of depth and width for the grip, as well as 2 pictures of a grip shape I really liked from another bow, and he copied it nicely.  That's the only way I'll do it moving forward!!

I agree, that's the best way to order a bow grip. This way the grip will be personalized/custom to he archer.

Darren

QuoteOriginally posted by Ben Kleinig:
3F, just tell Craig your hand size, as he is able to make the grip to match. Also, there really isn't too much difference in how the various models perform, and it is mostly about individual aesthetic preferences. The Crocodile is thought to be the slowest by two or three fps in general, due to the extra weight in that timber. Performance difference is negligable. Choose one you like (well, you've already chosen) and go for it!

X2, I will add though that the speed with a croc changes little with changing arrow weights. In my croc a 650 grain arrow and a 780 grain arrow leave the bow at near the same speed, would have to dig up my notes to tell you how little difference there was but I want to say it was like 1 fps. Mine is currently my favorite bow to shoot.

Finally got around to taking some pictures and need to apologize for the quality. I am a terrible picture taker-suppose that is why I don't take very many.

Anyway, here is my new string follow Sunset Hill bow, all yew lams with white glass back-no belly glass and a strip of carbon just underneath the white glass, all yew handle, 66" length, 45# @ 28" with Nate's Antique finish.

Anybody have a hill with antler-tip overlays?Was thinking of having them put on my cheetah that I will be ordering.another ????How do you hill users string your bow???

Kelly ,
Mate that is the sweetest looking bow I have seen in a while . Yew is my favourite wood and eventually when I order my Sunset Hill I'll be wanting Yew with clear glass which is about as pretty a bow as you can get IMHO ... but dang that antique white glass is beautiful and offsets the Yew wonderfully .

Nice mate ... very very nice and well done Nate on another fine bow .