Im contemplating seriously about a higher end Longbow.  My heart is pulling heavily towards the Whip. I miss my Black widow SAIII a lot though. Lately I've been preferring the locator grip, and the thumb locator on the Whip looks awesome. I've never been around the whip, so tell me, which would you choose and why?

When I talked to Dan about my whip, he suggested that I go with the traditional grip rather than the thumb locator simply because I had been shooting a Montana and he thought it would be a familiar grip. It still helps "locate" your hand more than a straight long bow riser. I have zero complaints about his recomendation!

The BW Pl has some serious stats to go with it...one heck of a bow

The Toelke whip is always listed as many folks favorite bow and you NEVER see anything but praise for....an amazing bow too.

Both are great companies....

If you do the takedown,the Toelke will have a little more handle mass due to the metal bow bolt....

Tough choice....both excellent bows.

I have a PLX and have shot a friend's Whip...very different grips but as far as other qualities go just about a toss-up

DDave

I have owned a few standard and classic whips as well as a number of other bows from Dan. You will never deal with better people. If you decide on the whip, Dan will deliver a bow with the grip you request, flawlessly made of beautiful woods that you choose. It will be smooth-drawing, fast, dead stable at the shot and very, very quiet. The longest I have ever waited from order to delivery for a bow was 29 days. There's a lot to like.

I'm partial to the PL, but was quite impressed by Dan's bows, and I would think you couldn't go wrong with a Whip.  I don't like thumb locators, though... They throw me off.

Does the thumb locator have the potential to help someone like me who battles bow torque problems, to overcome that?

The locator grip that Dan puts on his Whips should help you with torquing, yes. There is about a $400+ difference in those bows. I did have the pleasure to shoot a 66" PlX marked 50@28 which I could easily compare to my Whips and Super DS of the same # and at my 30" draw, the Widow was stacking where my Toelkes didn't. The widow was a bit louder also. I had desired a Widow at one point but the extra $$ for the initial bow plus additional $ just for them to hit my desired weight at my draw length was a big turn off. That's this mans opinion though. Lots of satisfied widow customers out there. They are very nice bows.

QuoteOriginally posted by Jim Wright:
I have owned a few standard and classic whips as well as a number of other bows from Dan. You will never deal with better people. If you decide on the whip, Dan will deliver a bow with the grip you request, flawlessly made of beautiful woods that you choose. It will be smooth-drawing, fast, dead stable at the shot and very, very quiet. The longest I have ever waited from order to delivery for a bow was 29 days. There's a lot to like.

I agree with this

QuoteOriginally posted by tzolk:
The locator grip that Dan puts on his Whips should help you with torquing, yes. There is about a $400+ difference in those bows. I did have the pleasure to shoot a 66" PlX marked 50@28 which I could easily compare to my Whips and Super DS of the same # and at my 30" draw, the Widow was stacking where my Toelkes didn't. The widow was a bit louder also. I had desired a Widow at one point but the extra $$ for the initial bow plus additional $ just for them to hit my desired weight at my draw length was a big turn off. That's this mans opinion though. Lots of satisfied widow customers out there. They are very nice bows.

This as well

If your not drawing much over 29", I'd seriously consider the Toelke Pika as well.

Now that Pika is a winner in my book also.

Whip vs. PL...just find a sample and shoot it.  I believe both Toelke and BW will send you a sample...but you may end up wanting to keep both.

Toelke all the way.

One of the quietest bows.

All I can say is I absolutely LOVE my Toelke Whip with the thumb rest. 62" 52 lbs @ 28". Smooth as butter, whisper quiet and flat smokes an arrow. Waited 18 days for mine. Dan Toelke is a great guy to deal with. For the record, Black Widow bows are great too ! I have shot both models BUT prefer the Whip hands down

I own both and both are sweet shooters, but the Whip gets the nod from me.. love the grip and locator.

Toelke Whip--- absolutely an incredible bow!  I have two with the thumb locator.  They are fast, forgiving, and dead quiet.  I am confident that you' ll be glad you went with the Whip.

I love Black Widow takedown recurves, but in my experience, the PL has nothing on the Whip (I like the classic grip). For me, it is quieter, faster and more accurate. Only reason I'd choose the widow is if I were going with a takedown. I like the sleeve system better than the bow bolt, but that's my personal opinion. Good luck and you really can't go wrong either way...Mike

How is the Toleke whips speed? Im thinking about somewhere in the 40-45 lb range. How do they handle heavy arrows, say in the 650gr range?

My whip (65 lb.) shoots an 820 gr arrow at 165, shoots a 650 gr arrow at 185, shoots a 500 gr arrow right at 200.

Their are 2 models of Whips.The original and the HS Whip that is newer.The HS has a more aggressive limb.The HS is very fast in my opinion.

I shot heavy arrows out of my HS.Around 11-12 grains per pound and it was plenty fast and shot pleasantly.