QuoteOriginally posted by mikebiz:
Hey Rob.  Question of the morning for ya.  On the new HTML search file it appears that none of the time stamps/posted dates are showing on the posts. Is this an artifact of the html file or is there a way to have them show up?  Thanks again.

been working on that ... you'd need to understand how ubb classic displays forum pages - they're all dynamically built on the fly via the cgi engine and i need to avoid that for the static html page version.  i'll figure a way around that, for sure.  stay tuned for version II of the searchable hhbug thread.

search page update complete - dates are now included and the format is now printable (if you feel the urge to kill a tree or two - it will take almost 900 pages to print it all out!).

although this new page is 1/6th the size of the first page, depending on how you connect to the net, it could take from seconds to more than a few minutes to load, mainly due to all the images it needs to pull in from photobucket and other image archives.

HHBUG.HTML

I snake skinned a hill bow, I used diamondback rattlesnake and it was awesome, but I couldn't handle the draw wt so I sold it. I used dried skins soaked In Water, carpet glue if I remember,  make sure the scales were removed, and had a friend rub in the finish and then spray it with thunderbird as well.  Turned out great

Do you all usually get the correct arrow spine from the old charts not the new Easton ones for your Hill Bow? Example would be mine 38@ 30 I am using 1816's full length draw 30.

Well guys, this is the last weekend of Idaho's bear season, and despite my grand hopes for the new area in which I set my bait, nary a bear found it. So, no bear for Rik this year.

Still, all is not lost. The camping was grand, and the scenery was spectacular!

fab pic, rik - but no wider than 640, please!

. . . and for all of you waiting for your new bows, here's a little eye candy for you. This is my Sunset Hill, leaning on my hunting truck (Note the unique camouflage I apply to my 4x4 Tacoma so it blends in with the City Slicker vehicles during the off season).

 

What kind of broadhead is that...looks like a HH??

RDS, where is the archived forum ? I cant find it on the Forum home page.

Thanks

Patrick

QuoteOriginally posted by MT Longbow:
RDS, where is the archived forum ? I cant find it on the Forum home page.

Thanks

Patrick

as mentioned in my previous posts, there is no forum.  it's all contained on a separate page, in html code.

so, click the pic below to view the browser searchable HHBUG.html page - give it time to load, there are a LOT of images to fetch and render ...

   

Okay, I am trying again.  This one should work. 640 pixels wide. If you have not seen the Sawtooth mountains, these be them. This is the scenery I was talking about. With scenery like this, even if the hunting does not pan out, you still can't wipe the grin off your face.

He he, I know where that picture was taken from!

So tell me about your new truck?

QuoteOriginally posted by MT Longbow:
What kind of broadhead is that...looks like a HH??

Rik used to use 160 grain Ribteks and that looks like one to me.

I'd say Ribtek too !
What countryside ... some of us daydream about such places .
Just awesome ... in the truse sense of the word . Looks lke heaven on earth . And a fine fine place to go stumping !

Here is a Hill I picked up at the Howard Hill shoot
68"  45@28 Wesley Special


 


 


 

I've got a question for you sages.  I was fooling around with some different spines and point weights. I'm right handed, btw. I has shooting a matched trio of 55-60 spine cedars with 125 grain points, and a set of 60-65 surewoods with 125 grain points.  The lighter spined cedars were hitting a good 6-8 inches to the left at 15 yards.  The surewoods were hitting right to where I wanted them to.  The results were the same time after time.  

I decided to see if they did the same while shooting a tennis ball thrown around the yard. Same thing happened. The cedars hit to the left of where I'm aiming.  There is no way they're too stiff.  In fact, I threw on some 160 grain points on them and they flew way to the left.

I do seem to recall that in one of the Traditional Bowyer Bibles a passage stated that a weak arrow in a selfbow would fly to the left for a right handed shooter.  My own experience bears that out, as well.

I haven't shot broadheads on the cedars, and on the surewoods, 145 grain heads hit right with 145 grain field points.

Any thoughts?  The bow, btw, is my Hill Halfbreed. 69", 45#@29" drawn to just shy of 31".

looper, i'm no archery expert by a long shot, but i hear about what you say more often than not.  and it's an aiming issue, not an arrow issue.  

i can and do shoot 29.5" surewood premiums in spines ranging from 45# to 70#, all with 125 grain points and 5.25" burnt helical shields.  IF i do my job correctly, they ALL fly where i aim the arrow, with no real regard to left/right, but some fly better in the air (straighter, with no fishtail or porpoise) than others because they are a better spine match for my 54# tembo.  

think of it thisaway - the eye to the string, the string to the nock, the nock to the shaft, the shaft to the point, the point to the mark.  this is NOT about using the arrow to aim, it's about aiming alignment form.  i concentrate on the mark when i aim, not at all the arrow.  

"aiming the arrow" is a mantra of byron ferguson, and it works.  i was taught to aim the arrow by champion archer jim ploen (the "jim" of j&b 21st century archery).  it works almost too well.      

maybe some of this can help ya.      

I hear what you are saying, but I don't think that's the issue. I focus intently on my target and am pretty consistent. I do have pretty good alignment form. Typically, my misses are high and low, not left and right. I shot groups of 12 of the same shafts and got the same results.  I mixed them up, alternating spines.  Same results.  Two nice little 4 inch groups, one 8 inches to the left of the other.

I have some heavier 65-70 surewoods and they hit right with my 60-65 surewoods. I have some 65-70 cedars.  They hit right with the surewoods.  One thing that is different with the 55-60 cedars is that they have right-helical fletching on them. All of the others are left wing.

I noticed the cedars hitting differently last night.  I was shooting in the dark to a target lit by my porch light.  I was standing in the shadow of the corner of the house, so I was in a really dark spot.  I could barely see my arrow.  

At 25 yards, I was nailing my spot time after time with the surewoods. It was dark enough that I couldn't actually see the arrow hit the target.  I've gotten pretty good at calling my shots and can tell if I throw one left or right.

I decided to add the 55-60 cedars to the mix. They consistent hit way to the left. It didn't matter if I shot them all together, or alternated, same results.

Weird.

are you getting kick off the shelf?...maybe the cedars need brace height and nock position attention.

Looper,

Unless I am more than a bit misguided, your fir arrows are also heavier in mass weight?

That means they deliver more energy, penetrate better, and as we already know, hit the target with, shall we say, a finer edge.

They are the arrows for you.

Give the cedars to a friend, he will thank you, and so will the fir arrows that will kill your winter food.

. . . and now to quote Rob-----and boys-----this is never to be forgotten:

THE EYE TO THE STRING

THE STRING TO THE NOCK

THE NOCK TO THE SHAFT

THE SHAFT TO THE POINT

THE POINT. . . . . . . . . . . .

TO THE MARK!

That's the way its' done Mates. That's the way it's done.

P.S. I have two friends still hunting solo in the Sawtooths. They each have a chance, just a chance. That's all we ask.

Maybe Nate has a tale to tell? Perhaps Doug has a tale too? (Seems poor Doug now hunts with a recurve, but I remind him constantly that he is embarrassed for doing so. His longbows do too!)

looper - you can get all yer arrows on the same page with the same fletch by refletching those cedars.  and maybe check the spines to make sure they are what you think they are.  but i don't think any of that is the problem.  

i think it's yer form.  yer not adapting to the arrow.  yer form and aim are rigid and that allows the arrow to control where it wants to go.  aim down the shaft right to the mark and strive for a good release.  the arrows that aren't spined to yer bow will not fly well but they will be reasonably centered left to right.

Looper, I shoot instinctive and I have learned to trust my instincts. If I am consistent, and my arrows are not on the bullseye, I change stuff until they are. When I shoot the video system, my arrows are always the same velocity, or 1 fps off. From there, if they group the same, either the arrow is wrong, or something I am doing is wrong. I have found it is usually a tuning issue, which is magnified when broadheads are on the ends of the arrows.  If you are shooting right handed, and the arrows are hitting left, the arrows are likely overspined (guess how I picked my handle). So go to a far heavier head and see if you can correct, or even overcorrect the problem. If you can, then hone in from there. If you can't, then you picked wrong and you need a lighter point. If you are way out of whack, then you may never do it with that arrow because it is so off. That might be the issue here, it is just so on the weak side that it might be banging off of the bow or shelf. Trust me, it happens. So just don't shoot those! Longbows, like Hill style bows, can be finicky when it comes to spine. The curves I used to shoot could shoot a lot wider range of arrow spines. Just use what works, and remember to shoot the broadheads you intend to use, because they can tune in differently than fieldpoints of the same weight, the mass is distributed differently.

Also, I had a fletcher that was crap, and when I changed to a Bitz, wow, so much more consistent in arrow flight. Worth giving those fletches a look over too. Try nock in.