HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!

August 23, 2014, 11:23:00 AM

I think wood shafts go down in spine a little after they have been shot a lot, and I have read that they can get stiff in cold conditions. Which is something I think about when it is very cold out. I am not so sure that it is enough to affect a shot that much at deer hunting ranges out of my longbows.
Out of that gross of RC shafts, there was over a 50 grain variance in weight if I remember right, and if the spine tester that he had for sale was accurate, a 20 pound variance in spine, even though they were all suppose to be 50-55. I could understand that if someone was assuming those would shoot consistently from a Hill style longbow and just make them up without checking, they would be in for a challenge.

Rob DiStefano · August 23, 2014, 11:32:00 AM

"ya can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear" - still true today as when that phrase was first uttered.

for the very most part, at the typical short distances we hunt game, woodies are just fine, at least for me. understanding woodie limitations is just part of the game.

Paul_R · August 23, 2014, 11:52:00 AM

I mostly shoot carbon and aluminum. The woodies are the only ones I spend time making pretty and the only ones I brag about. Surewood Steve's sig line says it best :D

August 23, 2014, 11:54:00 AM

When that fiberglass arrow manufacture place in Everly, Iowa was going out of business, I should have bought every hunting weight shaft and insert they had. They flew great out of my heavy and medium weight longbows. They had black heavy and tan medium tubes at any spine. This year out of one of my bows, it has been given the job of Microflite flinger. As the season is getting closer I find that I have way too many choices. I miss the good old days when one 89 pound Tembo and a quiver full of Microflite 12s was all I had. Even though those good ole days would have better if that Tembo was a 60 pounder and those Microflites were 8s.

Brianlocal3 · August 23, 2014, 05:31:00 PM

I agree 100% with Rob on this. I love my woodies, and they are what ishoot most of the time and all I shoot in tournamens. But my2016s come out for form work and just times when I want to push my accuracy limits to the max.

As far as carbons go. A simple bareshaft test will answer all questions quickly and absolutely.

I'll take a new bow/arrow set up, and just follow Byron Ferguson's or the black widow bs video and your golden

LongStick64 · August 23, 2014, 06:22:00 PM

As much as we'd all like to pursue perfection, it really is an uphill battle when it comes to traditional gear. So much influences the shot that it is impossible to be perfect. Same goes for the equipment we choose and that is the sacrifice we all are happy to make. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to make excuses for anyone just that actually expecting a level of perfection from traditional gear and application is an extremely difficult task.
I shoot wood arrows and will accept the associated limitations. But human history as proven that the good old wood arrow has carried us pretty well up to this point. Other arrow materials have a long way to go to overtake the accomplishments of the wood arrow.

Rob DiStefano · August 23, 2014, 07:04:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by LongStick64:
...Other arrow materials have a long way to go to overtake the accomplishments of the wood arrow.

a completely impossible task since man made arrow shafting came eons after wood and cane. :D

but seriously, who in their right mind really cares?

ron w · August 23, 2014, 09:06:00 PM

I guess I must be not of right mind.......history of this sport means a lot to me. And I just like to see the old ways continue.

Rob DiStefano · August 23, 2014, 09:50:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by ron w:
I guess I must be not of right mind.......history of this sport means a lot to me. And I just like to see the old ways continue.

that's exactly what i mean. :cool:

WESTBROOK · August 23, 2014, 09:54:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by ron w:
I guess I must be not of right mind.......history of this sport means a lot to me. And I just like to see the old ways continue.

X2

Rob DiStefano · August 24, 2014, 05:58:00 AM

reality check in aisle three, please ...

whilst it's great nostalgic fun to happily wax and pine about continuing the "ways of old", anyone entering that euphoria with a good dose of common sense should prevail.

imho, employing woodies is not a trad bow hunting prescription for all.

knowing yer tackle, and shooting woodies with any reasonable modicum of accuracy and consistency should be of prime concern when killing game is the goal.

and then there's one's hunting woodsmanship level of expertise to be considered.

other than that, fling away mates!

woodies are unique, i give each a different crest. like my kids, each one is different it their own way.

Rossco7002 · August 24, 2014, 09:58:00 AM

With all this talk of carbon spine issues I don't know if I'm an anomaly or not but I have found that (as long as I input the correct data for degree of center shot and DL) a dynamic spine calculator gives me a good arrow set up every time - be it carbons, aluminium or wood. Thereafter all I need is a little tinker with brace height and nock position to get my bareshafts and broadheads flying well.

The fly in the ointment is KNOWING that your woodies are in the proper range.

Right now I'm shooting a Miller Old Tom 60@26 (drawing about 26.3) with Axis Traditional 500 spine arrows - 27.5 inches, 75gr insert and 225gr head. Great bareshaft flight with this set up so today I'm going out to test a 125gr Grizzly broadhead mounted on a 100gr steel adaptor shooting out to 40 yards.

All things being good I'll send that arrow through a mule deer in a weeks time (when I'll be travelling to Idaho for my first western bowhunt)!

LongStick64 · August 24, 2014, 11:24:00 AM

If I'm shooting wood arrows with broadheads and they are hitting where I want what more do I ask for? I'm getting quiet flight and the accuracy I need. I don't try to fix what isn't broken. Yes they take much more work, but so what I have all year to get them matched and ready.

ron w · August 24, 2014, 11:34:00 AM

Well I guess all this arrow talk should be on a post about arrows

........Sooooooo......who's got a new Hill style in the works or on Order. I'm on Mr. Berry's list for a Morningstar......it's a long wait....lol!

ScouterMike · August 24, 2014, 02:31:00 PM

Chuck said my 70in Echo was on the bench a couple of weeks ago, so close to hunting season, I see massive indecision coming on.

I do stay pretty much permanent on Turay's list also, its just easier that way. Should be seeing another Shelton sometime this fall.

Bows are an investment, right?

WESTBROOK · August 24, 2014, 03:13:00 PM

"Bows are an investment, right? "

Mike, yes they are

A good one or bad one?

ron w · August 24, 2014, 03:22:00 PM

You stay on the list all the time......I love it!

Centex · August 24, 2014, 04:10:00 PM

I am on Joel Templin of Jet longbows list. I hope I make the per hunting seasons build.

Rob DiStefano · August 24, 2014, 04:19:00 PM

for a hill style afl, the 7lakes that mike just made for me is SOOOO nice. it's got action boo limbs sandwiched with black glass, and a slightly induced string follow. for me, it's all about the limbs for function. the grip is all about the process, and i rasped and sanded mine just right.

heck, i freely admit to have been shooting it more than my sparrowhawk! heresy!!

ron w · August 24, 2014, 04:27:00 PM

Heck Rob......shoot'em all......lol!