Carbon arrows and foc

Biggamefish · January 04, 2013, 06:17:00 PM

I have been looking at switching from alum to carbon. Everything I have looked at seems that to get to a 600 grain arrow or above you would have to have aggressive foc unless you use weight tubes. Which I don't want to use. Is their a way to get around this?

ChuckC · January 04, 2013, 07:11:00 PM

Whats wrong with weight tubes ? They are just more tools in you box for acheivng your goals.

ChuckC

Gil · January 04, 2013, 07:48:00 PM

Whats wrong with high FOC?

threeunder · January 04, 2013, 08:57:00 PM

You might look at the AD Hammerheads and the GT Heavy Hunters.

I would also say, though, that if you haven't fooled with high FOC or even EFOC, then at least give it a try.

I think that a lot of people who question it at first come to the conclusion that the negative hype you hear from some just isn't true.

I use 100 gr inserts on AD Trads and love 'em.

markliep · January 05, 2013, 07:58:00 AM

Have been playing with high FOC for a while now after I noticed some greter accuracy with hardwood dowel stumpers - with greater FOC & narrower shaft width you'll see greater target penetration - have also seen claims that higher FOC is more forgiving of inconsistent finger release but I haven't noticed it on better quality shafts - if you're shooting at higher weights there's a claim made that you need a stiffer shaft - 3# per 25gn over 100gn on your tip - hope my 2c is of some use - M

markliep · January 05, 2013, 08:31:00 AM

Have been playing with high FOC for a while now after I noticed some greter accuracy with hardwood dowel stumpers - with greater FOC & narrower shaft width you'll see greater target penetration - have also seen claims that higher FOC is more forgiving of inconsistent finger release but I haven't noticed it on better quality shafts - if you're shooting at higher weights there's a claim made that you need a stiffer shaft - 3# per 25gn over 100gn on your tip - hope my 2c is of some use - M

Bill Carlsen · January 05, 2013, 08:46:00 AM

I played around with carbons for years trying to get the weight up. Tried weight tubes, weedeater iine....name it, I tried it. The weight tubes can be noisy and are notorious for popping nocks out on impact. Weedeater line can be noisy, as well and is really just another form of weight tube. One day on another site I read about Bob Morrison shooting heavy arrows...some with tubes, some with heavy points. The heavy points were superior in penetration tests he was doing. I tried it and it worked...never looked back. I now have my 10 gpi arrows that penetrate extremely well and my nocks stay where they are supposed to, no noise and my arrows appear to be more stable and consistent.

twistedlim · January 05, 2013, 12:01:00 PM

I guess in theory that the greater the FOC the quicker the arrow will stabilize. That said there may be more initial arrow bend upon release but I believe that to be a good thing with traditional bows. I have found that my Arrow Dynamic Lites shoot well from 45-52 lbs on the bows I use when paired with an 100 grain brass insert and 225gr heads. Total arrow weight is 650 grains which according to Dr.
Ashby is the magic tipping point. Front of center is abotu 25% which is also right in the sweet spot. The deer I shot this year was a pass through only stopping when it hit the ground and falling out after the deer took a stride or two.

My hunting partner just went to the Heavy Hunters and he likes them as well. Less front of center and just as heavy shooting a 200 grain point.

It may be just me but the only negative thing I have noticed with the extreem FOC is that the arrow seem to get more tail drift in the wind...but that may be just my perception.

bartcanoe · January 05, 2013, 12:14:00 PM

I'll second the AD Hammerheads. I use the heavyweights full length, and with a 200 gn point, they're 730 total.

Iowabowhunter · January 05, 2013, 12:49:00 PM

I use 100 grain brass inserts and 175 grain heads, fly very well for me, haven't gotten a chance to put one thru a deer yet but hopefully that will change this evening!!!

riverrat 2 · January 05, 2013, 01:08:00 PM

The more forward weight,the better has been my carbon arrow experience. rat'

Biggamefish · January 07, 2013, 12:17:00 PM

Ok so FOC is a good thing and I am fine with that,I will just add some inserts up front.
Looking at the brass inserts can you mix and match inserts with arrows? It almost seems like you have to by certain inserts for certain arrows etc. etc.

RM81 · January 07, 2013, 01:27:00 PM

I have to use a stiffer spine and add weight up front. FOC isn't too bad and I still get my arrow at 11-12 GPP.

January 07, 2013, 01:35:00 PM

You do have to buy different inserts for different size shafts. I shoot Gold tip .246ID shafts and the 100gr inserts I use will fit several other shafts as well.

Bisch

3arrows · January 07, 2013, 04:04:00 PM

Coffee,would be a way around it.