I fully understand the pro's and con's of carbon arrows with high FOC. Done that, Single bevel, that too, but when I started 125gr Field point/Broadhead was the standard. I shot my first critter with it, forward 20 years now I hear you need more BH weight.

 While making up some Cedar arrows with good old Zwickey's Delta's or Eskimo's I remember when this set up was the norm. I don't know, maybe I'm just getting tired trying to keep up with the ever changing world of Trad Archery.

 I love all the new ideas, new bows, arrows, BH, and all the new gear. I know this new stuff works, but the Old norm still works also.


 DD.....

Funny you mention it, as I was just thinking the same thing. Just last week I pulled out some Cedars and some Aluminums with 125 grain points and broadheads. Shot well. I've had good luck with heavier set ups, but as you said, the old set ups seemed to work just fine on animals I killed back in the day.

I'm hunting this year with some old bear arrows with 125 grain broadheads I got fom Pappa Frank,shoot realy good for me out of my bows.

Those arrows are still around. Just look in my bow quiver.

Ross

I shoot 125 up front no matter the material.  My woodies for hunting have No Mercy 4 blades, and my Alums I shoot Bear Razorheads w/o the bleeders and 125 thunderheads.  I do not like the EFOC setups.

Still work for me!

i think going with heavier points started about the time guys started trying to get carbon shafts flying decent.

Not a thing wrong with 125 grain heads in my book.
Realistically they probably shoot a lot flatter trajectory too.

I've come full circle with my arrows, started with aluminum and 125 gr. Bears, to woodies, to carbons, and now back to woodies.  My current arrows are Doug Fir shafts with 125 gr. Zwicky Eskimos and I have to utmost confidence in them.  Now I just need to get a shot at some game!

I'm shooting Cedars and Fir with 160 gn points and BH's. I like the extra durability of the heavier head. I too tried the FOC and EFOC and ran out of spine real fast with wood-even tried carbons but did not like the flight; I like the feel and warmth of wood.

Another POC and 125 fan here.

I "know" that front loaded carbons will penetrate better than a wood arrow with that good ol zwickey eskimo BUT my eyes dont confirm it.

I use what I got which is anywhere from 125 grains upto 220 grains.  I like he heavier heads for longevity and durability.  I keep only the 160 or lighter on the woodies.  They do just fine.  I have a freezer that says a 500 grain surewood fir outta of a 59 pound Maddog longbow, tipped with the proven MA-3's at 125 grains, will shoot through them as quick as a 20% foc carbon anyday.

I think it is like everything else in the market today.  Gotta have it because it is better. Only proven by marketing, not results.  Funny, these broadheads cost as much or more per one as a half dozen of the proven.  I still wander why guys can't connect the dots on tha one.   God Bless

Personally, the only reason that I am shooting a heavier broadhead right now is that I have a supply of 60-65 POC from when I was younger and cannot shoot that heavy a bow any more.  So I am using heavier broadheads to get the shafts to work for me.  When I run out of these shafts I will probably go back to 125 bh's.

I just went to a stronger wood than cedar (they break if you look at them wrong).  I started hunting with 150 gr BH, now I shoot 160 Snuffers.

QuoteOriginally posted by DesertDude:
I fully understand the pro's and con's of carbon arrows with high FOC. Done that, Single bevel, that too, but when I started 125gr Field point/Broadhead was the standard. I shot my first critter with it, forward 20 years now I hear you need more BH weight.

 While making up some Cedar arrows with good old Zwickey's Delta's or Eskimo's I remember when this set up was the norm. I don't know, maybe I'm just getting tired trying to keep up with the ever changing world of Trad Archery.

 I love all the new ideas, new bows, arrows, BH, and all the new gear. I know this new stuff works, but the Old norm still works also.


 DD.....

I don't think anyone says it won't work or that you NEED heavy front loaded carbons to kill deer. the nature of light stiff carbons pretty much requires upping point weight to soften them up.

I shoot front loaded carbons, my wife shoots cedars (this year they are poplar) shafts with 135gr 2-blade Zwickeys up front. I've shot no deer yet this season and she is done and has shot her 2 bucks already with her MOAB and polpars......so the woods are definitely better if you ask her.       :D      :D    

Put it where it counts and it doesn't matter as long as the head is sharp and the arrow is tuned to the bow. Her mid 40's# MOAB has gotten complete pass throughs on 3 of the 4 deer she has shot with it......all with woodies and either a 125 Magnus or a 135 Zwickey.

I'm in no way saying one is better than the other, just woundering what happened to the Old Standerd. I to shoot from 125gr bh to 160gr bh on my woods.  Just thinking out loud.

Archery is like any other "leisure" activity nowadays. Be it golf or fishing etc.

We now have so many great suppliers and they need repeat business to stay in business. Get the customers to constantly upgrade or by the latest/greatest.

And the so called short cuts are always popular any any sport and short cuts cost money.

I thinks its just ease of use and time. I know its much less time consuming to sit down and have a dozen carbons up and running than to make a dozen woodies. I'm not saying the carbons are better, just faster/easier to make.

I shot woodies for years and years and carbons are relatively new to me. I'm likely going back to woodies next season as well. They smell better when broken than does broken carbon.  

I shot my first deer with 125gr Steel Force heads and Cedar shafts as well...I swamped to carbon because as a wheel shooter I hardly ever broke an arrow and so far the same as been with trad arrows and carbons... Plus I just love to watch that heavy arrow arc into the sweet spot each time.

You're not alone, Mark. There are plenty of us oldtimers still shooting the same arrow setups in the same type of bows that we shot thirty, forty or even fifty years ago.

I shot POCs until the late 1970s and then switched over to Easton aluminum arrows. No setup changes since then.

Mike