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String making- twists per inch

Started by Davesea, December 14, 2011, 02:28:00 PM

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Davesea

Seems like there is alot of variation in the number of twists in bow strings.  My limited experience indicates less is better?  Like 1-1.5" per twist.  Anyone have any empirical information on what is optimal?

Dave
"Anyone can make a bow, but it takes skill and experience to make an arrow"  ISHI

Jeff Strubberg

Less is better, but the proper brace height trumps number of twists for performance.  That's a major factor in the variation you see.
"Teach him horsemanship and archery, and teach him to despise all lies"          -Herodotus

Davesea

Jeff,
Assuming the string length is optimized for brace height, what is your optimal twists per inch?
Dave
"Anyone can make a bow, but it takes skill and experience to make an arrow"  ISHI

Ground Hunter

I've got some that are about 1 turn an inch - others might be 2 1/2 or so.  Arrow still comes off the bow.  Brace height trumps number of turns.  When you un-string it - if it furls up like a scared earth worm, it may be twisted too much.

kat

Dave,
It has been my observation that unless it is twisted too tight like Ground Hunter stated, it doesn't matter a lot. Of course, you need some twist in it for strength.
I shoot for 1.5 twists per inch when I make my strings. Many times they settle in closer to one twist per inch, and they work just fine for me.
Ken Thornhill

Rob DiStefano

i don't like a lotta string twists, however ...

twists are an issue for flemish - there will be a minimum required to keep the string together and that will come from experience.

endless strings need no twists at all, but for best functionality a dozen or so are used to aerodynamically round off.
IAM ~ The only government I trust is my .45-70 & my Ol' Brown Bess

Bjorn


Ric O'Shay

Never really took a ruler to my strings. But after reading this, I did. I made a new string for one of my Massie Longhorns. Guess what? 1 twist per inch. Out of curiosity I measured several others. 1 twist per inch. Looks as if one inch makes me happy and I didn't even know it.    :bigsmyl:  

Danny
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.   - Thomas Jefferson

Jeff Strubberg

Anything from 1 per 1.5 inches to 1 per .75 inches would be fine, IMHO

The problem with more twist is that it means you are carrying more string material for the same length string.  Even if you don't have problems with excessive stretch and give, you are using a heavier string than necessary.
"Teach him horsemanship and archery, and teach him to despise all lies"          -Herodotus

amazonjim

Well tell me what happens if they are more twist.

Jeff Strubberg

"Teach him horsemanship and archery, and teach him to despise all lies"          -Herodotus

bornagainbowhunter

Most of my strings are about a twist per inch, but I make them about 3 or 4 twists per inch for my boys.  They like 'em some flashy style...

God Bless,
Nathan
But thou, O LORD, art a shield for me; my glory, and the lifter up of mine head. Psalms 3:3

wtpops

QuoteOriginally posted by amazonjim:
Well tell me what happens if they are more twist.
Mainly just unneeded weight, string heaver than it needs to be. Like said above correct brace height trumps twist count.
TGMM Family of the Bow
"OVERTHINKING" The art of creating problems that weren't even there!

Ric O'Shay

QuoteOriginally posted by amazonjim:
Well tell me what happens if they are more twist.
Basically it acts like a coil spring. Extra give or stretch. Ever grabbed one end of a Slinky? See what I mean?
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.   - Thomas Jefferson

Jack Whitmire Jr

Doesn't matter , I got a buddy that worries about such trivial stuff . Twist to the correct brace height and shoot it then set a nocking point when it is stretched out.
Tolerance is a virtue of a man without any  Morals- unknown author

frank bullitt

Well, Ric O'Shay and myself have agreed on this subject in other posts on strings!

First, I come from a business, manufacturing background, where material costs matter!

"Lean manufacturing", as they title it today!

From the standpoint of effeciency, weight, and the spring factor, I feel too much twist in the body of a string, causes ineffecient performance.

Not speed... performance! A difference!

Take a look at the HH forum, page 402, and the EastTexasRedneck's sweet looking bow!

Now, look at the string. That's what I want in a properly twisted Flemish string!

As a builder, alot of twist, also means more material, more means waste, and less! "$".

I see some top bows out there, with such strings. They could be even better, with  a little less!

Charlie Lamb

2.563 per inch above the serving and 1.0002 per inch below. Twist should be counterclockwise for lefties.... but that's just me.    ;)
Hunt Sharp

Charlie

Rob DiStefano

QuoteOriginally posted by Charlie Lamb:
2.563 per inch above the serving and 1.0002 per inch below. Twist should be counterclockwise for lefties.... but that's just me.      ;)  
oh charlie, there you go telling fibs - we both know it's 2.653 per inch above and 1.0003 below, with counterclockwise righty twist only when the moon is full or new.  dang.    :D
IAM ~ The only government I trust is my .45-70 & my Ol' Brown Bess

Jack Whitmire Jr

Tolerance is a virtue of a man without any  Morals- unknown author

David McLendon

Mine are one half to one at my desired brace height, six strand up to 55# then up to eight for my higher weight bows. Ultra-Cam
Lefties are the only ones who hold the bow in the right hand.


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