HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!

[Brianlocal3]

I'm in the  boat with Matt in that I just can't shoot a real low BH.
I rarely take an exact measurement on my BH actually. I set it a touch above my fistmele to start. From there I tune up my arrow and head weight of choice.  If I see something in flight I don't care for I will raise or lower my BH accordingly. Wherever it lands , it lands and I don't think anymore into it. I'm more concerned with optimal arrow flight and ill adjust accordingly,

[Brianlocal3]

Oh, the same can be said for my nock height. I always start around 1/2".  If I notice flight issue, I adjust from there but never actually remeasure it as the number does not concern me, all that matters is a beautifully flying arrow. It always ends up within an 1/8" of my starting point

[far rider]

Pavan, I guess I spoke too literally about the arrow puling the string. What I was trying to convey was that the moment the string ie, the limbs have peaked and begin to rapidly diminish it's speed, the arrow is now moving faster than the string, but the string is still moving forward along with it. A moment later the arrow pulls away from the string. I would think a low brace would create a sort of plucking as it left and the string begins to vibrate out of it's straight line. With a higher brace, the arrow should leave the string cleaner, but could be slower because you haven't let the limbs peak before loosing the arrow.

Hey guys, I may be WAY off here, as my post is far more of a question than advice or opinion. When I throw my two cents in, I usually owe somebody some change.
Tim

Well Tim, I think this brace thing all depends on the bow and the arrow. The Howard Hill recomendation is 6.5" for the 70" model and 6.25" for the 66" model. Now with the Schulz reflex bows he says a half to a quarter inch less, but that is also understandable. The Schulz bows have thicker cores and lighter tips, could add to the stability and those end of the shot reactions as you mentioned. I have seen 5 lam Hills that shot just as good at lower brace settings and I have seen Hills that preferred what Hill company guide lines say.  It all depends on the release and mostly the arrow. If one needs to really go with much higher brace, I would bet that a lower spined arrow would fly with a standard brace.  I think Hill style bows like wood shafts that are not extra long.  I helped a friend out with a new Hill. He showed up with a dozen 65# cedars that were ten pounds over the bow weight and a set of six graphites with a variety of inserts and points. The first thing I saw was that his graphite arrows were skidding hard on his arrow shelf. His cedars were way too stiff and flew loggy. We checked his nock and his brace. Lightend up the graphites, added weight, shortened one,(he hated doing that).  Finally I got out some 50 pound arrows that were nearly net length for him. Close. Then I had him try a couple of my wifes 45 pound cedars, also nearly net for him, perfect. I had some of those that were uncut so I made a couple that would have some finger clearance with 125 heads, a bit of a kick. Brought his brace down to 6&1/8", perfect. He ended up getting 45-50 with 145 grain heads to match his Grizzly broadheads and they were perfect at a 6&1/8" brace. I suppose if he would have screwed the brace up to 6&3/8", he could have gone to 50-55 arrows and lined right up with the Hill suggestions for a 68" bow, 6&3/8" plus or minus an 1/8". In this case the shooter was a very good consistent shooter and it was possible to try to split hairs. I don't really think that it always needs to be all that complicated if the arrows are proper length cedars and not too stiff for the bow, a variety of brace settings would probably get the same results.

[Green]

I received a Morningstar last week from James.  I scaled it at a local bowshop and it was 2.25 pounds heavier than marked.  James and I had a conversation about a couple of things and I brought this up.....he said the bow weighs one pound, then the marking arrow (not much), and my own hand pressure would have accounted for that.  He says have someone rezero the scale once you're set to pull.  Good advice.

What was that old thing? If you hang the bow by the string on the scale, that represents how far the bow would be drawn to achieve that much poundage.  So if you hang a 5 pound compound by the string, that little bit of draw and that first reading, only represents five pounds draw force and the weight of the bow is negated.  Another thing to add, the wood duber that the string goes around on the scale, if it the older larger size or the newer small ones, can make a slightly different reading as well. If it was just the hook that doesn't equate to what fingers would do on a bow string either. The hook makes a sharper corner than fingers do and fingers can make a sharper bend than the larger wood duber.

[jsparky93]

Well The HH Bug Got me my Big Five arried yesterday & I couldnt be more pleased.

Shedua riser with Carmelized boo under clear glass 66" 55# @26".

[cahaba]

Congrats jsparky93 That's one beautiful Hill. The Shedua riser looks awesome. How does she shoot for you.

[jsparky93]

I am really liking it. I wish I had tried one sooner.

[Brianlocal3]

Beautiful bow sparky!!!

[Overspined]

Great looking bow!  It should only get better!

[Green]

Congrats Sparky.  See you in about a week when you decide to put it down again.     :D

[David Mitchell]

Regarding the draw weight on Hills.  I have had a few come in heavier than marked/ordered by 4-5#.  That said, however, the last one I ordered was dead on as marked. Hope that continues to be the case. Love those Hills!

[far rider]

The Big 5 I had (sold to GRS) was probably the most accurate and well tuned bow I had, so naturally it would make sense to sell it. I like that carmel boo, nice, nice.
Another bow I should have kept and hunted and never bought another one....derp.

Tim

[Overspined]

Originally posted by far rider:
The Big 5 I had (sold to GRS) was probably the most accurate and well tuned bow I had, so naturally it would make sense to sell it. I like that carmel boo, nice, nice.
Another bow I should have kept and hunted and never bought another one....derp.

Tim

So funny. There are a couple out there I wish I had back as well!  Always seems like a good idea at the time...

[Richard Rounds]

Just traded off a Crocodile. Kinda puked in my mouth a little as I dropped it off at the post office   :(

[far rider]

Oh  man!!! That is one on my list. Gotta try an Osage bow soon. I also traded a pristine ebony riser black glass belly and back Wesley about the same time that I get a little nauseous over every time I scroll through my longbow pictures. Didn't have a mark on it, had Craig add buffalo horn tips to it....then traded it for another Wesley that I promptly sold. My reasoning for that one was it was heavier than my other Hills. I sure wish I had that one back.    

[jsparky93]

I just recieved my Big Five a few days ago & I have already decided that a Crocodile will be my next one.

[Vesty]

I just need to chime in here and give a major thumbs up for the Two Tracks Echo. It is a Hill style string follow longbow that is a relative newcomer on the scene but is rapidly gaining a reputation from those who have shot one. If you get a chance, shoot one. Two Tracks will be at the K-zoo Expo. Stop by Chuck's booth and give one a test drive.

[Linwood Hines]

I'm way behind and trying to catch up to all of the discussions.  First, I'd like to strut about my new LB - a Jet Warthog!  Just received yesterday, and well, the good ol' new bow god was watching and said let's give him a thrill - as you'll see in the pic of my first shot!  Now that I'm really rattled - I'll never do THAT again - but it shoots GOOD!  I HOPE I CAN load the pics properly...so now, y'all have pushed me one step farther into HHstyle LB heaven, thank you gentlemen, and I add this new one to my HH Wesley and Scirocco.  They are all working good for me - heck they're better bows than I am shooter - but they forgive nicely!