HH BUG GOT ME - Part Two!

Cavscout9753 · March 30, 2015, 04:58:00 PM

Think I can eek out the 50-55's with 125 out front? I toyed with the 3 Rivers calculator and the numbers are on, but with wood when it comes to the GPI I know I'm only "guestimating". I'm thinking the worse case scenerio would be to use a sliver of leather behind the plate to build it out a fraction of an inch further. The 50-55's with 125 also work very well with my Vixen so if tweaking the strike plate means I can use the same arrows I'm will to try. Strike plate and brace height tunning might get me on the money. We'll see. Thanks for your help Pavan!

Cavscout9753 · March 30, 2015, 05:08:00 PM

Here's what I'm looking at, I don't bother with the personal form thing, just the raw data.

Looper · March 31, 2015, 01:32:00 AM

That's an awfully light arrow for a Hill. I greatly prefer a much heavier arrow out of mine. Here's a couple of my setups:

First is my preferred combo of 65-70 Surewoods and a 140 grain Grizzly.

Next is a 70-75 Acme cedar and a 200 grain Grizzly Instinct. I use a 12 strand D10 string with those arrows.

Cavscout9753 · March 31, 2015, 07:56:00 AM

Yeah, it is light by todays standards. I'd sometimes kill for a 30.5" draw, haha. I've really had bad luck in the past with heavy tip weight and was trying to keep it to the old tried and true 125. I don't know, I'll play with it once its here and see what I can do with it. I do like an arrow thats greater than 500 though, but I'm not trying to stress 50 grains at this point.

Cavscout9753 · March 31, 2015, 08:17:00 AM

Also, on your second set up, for shaft diamater you have a .359, is that a tapered shaft or just a bigger shaft because of the high spine range?

Looper · March 31, 2015, 10:55:00 AM

It's a thicker shaft. A 23/64 vs a 11/32.

Cavscout9753 · March 31, 2015, 01:26:00 PM

I see. I figured it had to be a thicker shaft. Thanks for the input and help!

Cavscout9753 · March 31, 2015, 01:32:00 PM

Even with the 55+# shaft with 160 out front its only 465 +/-, I dread tunning to go heavier spine and heavier head to reach the 500+ mark.

Looper · March 31, 2015, 01:44:00 PM

I sent you a pm. Here's a couple of arrows I made up from some that are too short for me. They are close to what you are shooting now (similar dynamic spine and diameter), so you shouldn't have to do any tuning. The only difference will be in trajectory, but within 20 yards, it won't be much.

The first one is a cedar 55-60 spine with a 160 grain point.

The next one is a Surewood 60-65 spine with a 190 grain point.

two4hooking · March 31, 2015, 02:09:00 PM

Wow....all this is getting a little too technical...spreadsheets......I think I am getting a headache.

ron w · March 31, 2015, 02:20:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by two4hooking:
Wow....all this is getting a little too technical...spreadsheets......I think I am getting a headache.

X2.......I'm glad I never had a problem getting an arrow to shoot.

Looper · March 31, 2015, 02:58:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by two4hooking:
Wow....all this is getting a little too technical...spreadsheets......I think I am getting a headache.

Says the guy with the blog, on the internet...

(I enjoy it, BTW)

It's not that big of a deal. I just plugged the numbers for my setup into the 3rivers calculator and posted the results. I can assure you that the calculator had absolutely zero impact on how I came to my setup. It does confirm that it agrees with my choices.

Cavscout9753 · March 31, 2015, 03:33:00 PM

Haha, too technical? I consider myself to be more of the easier-route kind of guys! After reading what many people go through for their arrow flight I've always felt an arrow calculator to be on the more simple side. But, to each their own I suppose.

March 31, 2015, 04:29:00 PM

I like slightly heavier shafts as well, but like most I find messing around to get things right gets tedious. The thing is, you can do a lot of deciding, you can be the 'decider', I am always struck how nice net length wood shafts fly out of longbows. I use to think that anytime I would put a blunt on an arrow that had been broken at the tip, this is what happens when I shoot at a turkey and hit a tree, that the arrow would fly crazy stiff, but they fly perfect. Go figure. Last season I used some 27" bop 45-50 wapiti cedars for my 53 pound at 26 Morningstar with 145 Grizzly heads, I made some with matching field points. They came in at 454 to 459 grains. I though that my S curve was a little long, so I shortened them to 26.5", perfect. I had one that I broke a target point by hitting an old point in my target and ended up with a net length 145 blunt, which to my surprise flew perfect. That deer I shot did not know that I was under 10 grains per pound. No matter how much calculating you do you will still not know if the same set will fly out of both bows. It would not surprise me at all if you find that the Vixen shoots every bit as hard as the Wesley. I was a bit surprised to find that my Morningstar shoots the same arrow as my 53 pound 62" Robertson and shoots it nearly as fast, average difference 4 fps.

Cavscout9753 · March 31, 2015, 07:37:00 PM

Well put as always pavan. That's actually one of the things I like most about ASLs/AFLs, I seem to be able to get a wider variety of things to fly out of the vixen. Things I couldn't get away with my R/D lb's or recurves. Smarter people than me explain it as the cut, long limbs, power stroke, etc. Now days I just chalk it up to the magic of the hill style bows. I came very close to pulling the trigger in an Osage Royale hill style bow on another site. But it was just outside the approved budget (approved by the wife, not me). Still it was a gorgeous bow and I have made an osage/glass bow my white whale... There's always next tax season.. Haha.

two4hooking · April 01, 2015, 08:53:00 AM

Look out Howard!

Fletcher · April 01, 2015, 12:07:00 PM

Kind of a fun read on figuring which arrow spine to use. My best method is a good set of test arrows. A few minutes in front of some newspaper and I know the exact spine to work with me, my point weight, arrow length and bow. I can also tune to bow to work with the arrows I have, within limits.

A good set of test arrows is one of the most valuable tuning tools a shooter can have.

Mud_Slide_Slim · April 01, 2015, 04:27:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Fletcher:
A good set of test arrows is one of the most valuable tuning tools a shooter can have.

Absolutely!!

Charlie Lamb · April 02, 2015, 02:18:00 PM

Looks like Howard is bare fingered in the pic. I thought I'd seen them all but that's a new one to me.

Ray Lyon · April 02, 2015, 02:38:00 PM

My new to me 45# Northstar is really spitting those #8 Microflite arrows out nicely with 155 grain Grizzly's glued on the front (these are the pre converta insert version of Microflite). As of right now it's the front running combination for turkey season that starts in 2 1/2 weeks. It sure is fun mixing a 'new' ASL with old nostalgic arrows.