Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow

[atatarpm]

Qarbon Namo it's hard to beat

[Moots]

Buy used R/D bows from this site.  Start with a couple; sell the one you don't like as much.  Buy another.  

You will soon find out how much R/D you like, what length bow you prefer.  Pay particular attention to grip.  I have found, for example, that Toelke grips (whip and super D) are generally too small for me, but other people love them.

If you are careful in buying, you will be able to get all or most of your money out of the bow when you sell.

In this fashion, I have found that I like Mohawk Sparrowhawk, Cari-bow Peregrine, and I have a Leon Stewart Slammer on order.

And I thought the search was over, and that I was an R/D guy through and through, but then I bought a beautiful Wes Wallace Mentor recurve -- and guess what, I love that too!  And then I decided that I needed to try the new Whippenstick Whipplash, so I have one of those on order.  And now it's time to sell something again.

Have fun!  It's a great ride.

[Rob DiStefano]

life is like a box of chocolates - never know what you'll find and there's so many good trad bows to taste test.  

[katman]

You got that right Rob. Until you try it you do not know if you like it. I like Moots advice.

[Rob DiStefano]

the cheapest and best way to taste test bows is at trad gatherings - events, club shoots, rendezvous, shoots of all kinds, and (of course) Gang Hunts.   :D

[katman]

Sage advice as usual Rob.    

[Nativestranger]

Anyone tried the Bearpaw Quick Stick? It looks like one fine bow. Very attractive with the 30 year transferable warranty and no minimum GPP.

 

 

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Nativestranger:
Anyone tried the Bearpaw Quick Stick? It looks like one fine bow. Very attractive with the 30 year transferable warranty and no minimum GPP.
 

no minimum GPP?  really????  i don't think so.     :rolleyes:

[Nativestranger]

Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 

Originally posted by Nativestranger:
Anyone tried the Bearpaw Quick Stick? It looks like one fine bow. Very attractive with the 30 year transferable warranty and no minimum GPP.
 

no minimum GPP?  really????  i don't think so.       :rolleyes:   [/b]

That's what they said and even confirmed by Henry Bodnik. No minimum GPP short of dry fire.
  http://www.bearpaw-blog.com/?p=725  

   

The choice of material and the weight of the used arrows do not limit our guarantee. We are proud of the quality and efficiency of our Bodnik Bows.

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Nativestranger:
 

Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
   

Originally posted by Nativestranger:
Anyone tried the Bearpaw Quick Stick? It looks like one fine bow. Very attractive with the 30 year transferable warranty and no minimum GPP.
 

no minimum GPP?  really????  i don't think so.        :rolleyes:    [/b]

That's what they said and even confirmed by Henry Bodnik. No minimum GPP short of dry fire.
   http://www.bearpaw-blog.com/?p=725  

   

The choice of material and the weight of the used arrows do not limit our guarantee. We are proud of the quality and efficiency of our Bodnik Bows.

[/b]

don't see where their warranty talks about dry firing or minimum gpp - where is that?

[Nativestranger]

Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
don't see where their warranty talks about dry firing or minimum gpp - where is that?

It's on the link I posted. This paragraph:

"Our guarantee applies to 100% on the bow because our quality has nothing to do with the owner of the bow. Our guarantee also applies to subsequent owners of Bodnik Bows and does not lose its validity for a full 30 years. The choice of material and the weight of the used arrows do not limit our guarantee ."

And this

"Non-warranty clause:
•Bow is treated negligently or intentionally destroyed or damaged"

Their official Youtube Channel Confirms this again. Read Bearpaw's their comment on:

   

"there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement.

[Rob DiStefano]

BearpawBlog 1 year ago - "there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement."

wow.  that's totally incredible.  

shooting 6 or even 5 gpp is literally dry firing.  i guess they're banking on not too many folks going much below 9 or 8 gpp, due to the high noise levels.  i don't hear or see anything different in their bow materials or construction.  i wonder how many blown limb claims they've gotten so far?

[Nativestranger]

Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
BearpawBlog 1 year ago - "there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement."

wow.  that's totally incredible.  

 shooting 6 or even 5 gpp is literally dry firing.   i guess they're banking on not too many folks going much below 9 or 8 gpp, due to the high noise levels.  i don't hear or see anything different in their bow materials or construction.  i wonder how many blown limb claims they've gotten so far?

It's a big difference comparing a 5 gpp arrow to dry firing. With a well designed bow you can go down to as low as 2 GPP and still retain over 50% efficiency. That's less than half the energy going back to bow limbs compared to a dry fire. At 5 gpp the efficiency is around 65% - 70%

   http://www.atarn.org/islamic/akarpowicz/turkish_bow_tests.htm  

Thats on primitive bows with natural materials, thick heavy limb tips and Dacron string. Very inefficient compared to modern bows.

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Nativestranger:
 

Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
BearpawBlog 1 year ago - "there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement."

wow.  that's totally incredible.  

 shooting 6 or even 5 gpp is literally dry firing.   i guess they're banking on not too many folks going much below 9 or 8 gpp, due to the high noise levels.  i don't hear or see anything different in their bow materials or construction.  i wonder how many blown limb claims they've gotten so far?

It's a big difference comparing a 5 gpp arrow to dry firing. With a well designed bow you can go down to as low as 2 GPP and still retain over 50% efficiency. That's less than half the energy going back to bow limbs compared to a dry fire. At 5 gpp the efficiency is around 65% - 70%

    http://www.atarn.org/islamic/akarpowicz/turkish_bow_tests.htm  

Thats on primitive bows with natural materials, thick heavy limb tips and Dacron string. Very inefficient compared to modern bows. [/b]

personally, in my near 6 decades of messing with trad archery in all its forms, there are VERY few trad bows can survive more than a few shootings with 6gpp let alone 5gpp.  

those that are using such light missiles are flight archers, where the bow is 15/16th broken on every release.  

and in reality, none of this hasta do with trad bowhunting, where you might rarely go down to 8gpp, but more likely will be closer to or above 10gpp. so it's all a moot point for us folks.

for bearpaw to say, essentially, as long as the bow is launching SOME kinda arrow, regardless of its mass weight, that sounds more like a marketing ploy ... because i see nothing in their bow designs, materials or crafting that's any bit different from all the other wood/glass/carbon trad bows offered world wide and ALL of those folks have definite gpp criteria.  as i said b4, wonder how many folks are using their bearpaw warranty for blown limbs ....  ymmv.

[RC]

I think they figure that most archers know that under 8 grains or so to lb the shooter has a good chance of eating splinters and they are banking on that.RC

[Nativestranger]

Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 

Originally posted by Nativestranger:
 

Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
BearpawBlog 1 year ago - "there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement."

wow.  that's totally incredible.  

 shooting 6 or even 5 gpp is literally dry firing.   i guess they're banking on not too many folks going much below 9 or 8 gpp, due to the high noise levels.  i don't hear Orion see anything different in their bow materials or construction.  i wonder how many blown limb claims they've gotten so far?

It's a big difference comparing a 5 gpp arrow to dry firing. With a well designed bow you can go down to as low as 2 GPP and still retain over 50% efficiency. That's less than half the energy going back to bow limbs compared to a dry fire. At 5 gpp the efficiency is around 65% - 70%

     http://www.atarn.org/islamic/akarpowicz/turkish_bow_tests.htm    

Thats on primitive bows with natural materials, thick heavy limb tips and Dacron string. Very inefficient compared to modern bows. [/b]

personally, in my near 6 decades of messing with trad archery in all its forms, there are VERY few trad bows can survive more than a few shootings with 6gpp let alone 5gpp.  

those that are using such light missiles are flight archers, where the bow is 15/16th broken on every release.  

and in reality, none of this hasta do with trad bowhunting, where you might rarely go down to 8gpp, but more likely will be closer to or above 10gpp. so it's all a moot point for us folks.

for bearpaw to say, essentially, as long as the bow is launching SOME kinda arrow, regardless of its mass weight, that sounds more like a marketing ploy ... because i see nothing in their bow designs, materials or crafting that's any bit different from all the other wood/glass/carbon trad bows offered world wide and ALL of those folks have definite gpp criteria.  as i said b4, wonder how many folks are using their bearpaw warranty for blown limbs ....  ymmv. [/b]

In Europe, 3d field archery is more common than bow hunting and lighter arrows are used.  The materials and design does not look all that different but they must have tested extensively and found no conclusive data on light arrows damaging their bow before coming up with the official warranty statement. No arrow weight limit and 30 years is a long time! No company would be silly enough to make such claims if it have the slightest chance of failure.

[Rob DiStefano]

I agree and perhaps the logic is that any trad shooter will be using a reasonable arrow.  It would be reassuring to think that a bow can survive an accidental dry fire from a broken nock or from a slipped nock.

[swampwalker]

Back to the topic. Would like to throw some love Steve's way and have you try either the Superior or Baraga, Northern Mist's entry R/Ds.

[imbowhunt10]

Having shot recurves most of my life, i am not much of an authority on longbows. I always had an itch to shoot one, so i bought the royal crown, which is made by Ron Fox. I can say that it has become one of the finest of all the bows that i have. It shoots where you are looking, zero hand shock, absolutely quiet, and hard hitting. I must say it is one of the best, if not the best shooting bows i have ever held in my hand.