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Hill Style bow dimensions

Started by Trad Longbow Joe, July 18, 2012, 09:22:00 PM

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Trad Longbow Joe

Great stuff SportHunter, I will be sure to put this on the spreadsheet.  Help me out with Trapped, what do you mean by this?

SportHunter

Trapped (trapezoid) changes a rectangular shaped limb to a rectangular limb with unequal length sides. You could have a wider belly or back of the limb.  Trapped to back has narrower back, trapped to belly has narrower belly.

Trad Longbow Joe

SportHunter, got it, thanks.  I haven't seen a longbow trapped to the back, all the ones I have seen are rectangled (rounded) or trapped to the belly.  My new to me Schulz is trapped to the belly.  My Hills are rounded edges with the glass about the same size on the back & belly.

Trad Longbow Joe

Any other Hill type bow owners out there want to provide info?  The more we have the more information we all can share.

Brianlocal3

This is very interesting. Thanks for all the good info
JD Berry Taipan (original) 53@28 62"
Cascade mountain Brush Hawk 53@28 56"

Trad Longbow Joe

Anyone else want to give up their bow info?

khardrunner

If i can figure out how to do all the measurements ill try to get schulz specs for you
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...run in such a way so as to obtain the prize!

Trad Longbow Joe

khardrunner, that would be great, the more the merrier!
Joe

rmorris

Looks like this post kinda fizzled out but I have a few questions... How much longer is the top limb on a hill bow than the lower limb?

I ask this because I assume the standard grip of a hill bow is around 4-4.5" long.. The arrow shelf being at the top of the grip would easily put the shelf at 2" above the center of the bow. IMO that would require some fun tillering or a longer top limb...

Also am I correct that the grip is roughly 4-4.5"? My local archery shops never have any hill bows in stock for me to look at.
"Havin' such a good time Oo-de-lally, Oo-de-lally Golly, what a day"

SportHunter

QuoteOriginally posted by rmorris:
Looks like this post kinda fizzled out but I have a few questions... How much longer is the top limb on a hill bow than the lower limb?

I ask this because I assume the standard grip of a hill bow is around 4-4.5" long.. The arrow shelf being at the top of the grip would easily put the shelf at 2" above the center of the bow. IMO that would require some fun tillering or a longer top limb...

Also am I correct that the grip is roughly 4-4.5"? My local archery shops never have any hill bows in stock for me to look at.
Two of my hills have 4 1/8" long handles and one is 4 1/4". The leather is slightly larger by ~1/8"

DWilhelm

The lower limb on my 68" Big 5 is 1.5" shorter than the upper limb.  I think that is pretty much standard regardless of bow length, though I could be wrong.

rmorris

"Havin' such a good time Oo-de-lally, Oo-de-lally Golly, what a day"

ChuckC

How close to center cut are Hill bows ?  Anyone got any close up pix of a Hill style handle. . side and front / back views that they can post ?

Anybody got any experience installing a two piece metal sleeve (take down sleeves) unit into a Hill style handle ?
ChuckC

cahaba

The true center of a Howard Hill and other Hill type bows should be about center of where your middle finger is on the handle. I replaced the leather on my new Half Breed and sure enough there was a mark with a pencil dead center of where my middle finger placement was on the handle. Its 1 1/2" below the shelf. Great info. I will get my 3 bows measurements and post soon.
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ChuckC

David  thanks.   !.25 to 1.5" above center line is a pretty standard location for the shelf. How about the other center. . . ?

Is the shelf cut to the centerline of the bow's width or beyond (or shy of it).  If you look at a strung bow, you can imagine the center line of each limb and see how the string, held over that line, compares to the shelf cut out on the riser.

Hill bows are kinda skinny and I don't believe that they are cut PAST center, I wonder if they are even cut TO center ?
ChuckC

cahaba

Hey  Chuck they are cut close to 1/8" before center. I shoot without a sideplate and it really helps them shoot better.
cahaba: A Choctaw word that means
"River from above"

Trad Longbow Joe

Here is a list of the few that participated!


ewoodie

Thx for all the info, after 28 years I, dust of my Howard Hill books,
And hooked again on archery, want to make a string follow easy to shoot, forgiving bow.

After Howards words, for hunting a sensitive bow does't  works.

I have an Martin ML 10 50# longbow is there interest for the dimensions?
You can do it!

Rob DiStefano

imho, all that matters with a hill style american flat longbow design is how the limbs are set (straight, string follow or reflex), the nock-to-nock length, the handle shape, and the cut depth of the shelf.  riser length, limb core materials, glass, holding weight - all are important, too, but in a separate category.  the other dimensions are best left to the bowyer.  ymmv.
IAM ~ The only government I trust is my .45-70 & my Ol' Brown Bess

This does show more or less some of the numbers that bows have.  My bows have some differences.  Measurements of a loaded bow at brace are one thing, measurements at full draw can be another.  While limb timing is easily felt, measurements at brace are not a guarantee.  Bows with completely different specs can all have good limb timing.  I can flip my new bow upside down and it shoots identical as right side up.  The bows static measurements showed that it was possible and it is.


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