New wooden arrow point loading and internal footing jig!

Benny Nganabbarru · May 23, 2009, 11:35:00 PM

Thanks, Rob! Boy, I'm looking forward to this!

martin guy · June 01, 2009, 12:23:00 AM

Ok guys, I put one of these up one the St. Judes Auction #4, with tungsten.
I will be sending a few more out to Tim on Weds., by the end of the week I should have a stock of 100+ so order without fear!
Thanks for all of your support guys, especially you Tim, you have been a big help.

Andy

Rob DiStefano · June 01, 2009, 06:13:00 AM

i gotta say, for a bowhunter that prefers the consistency of carbon, i've been footing (and even "tailing" - a "foot" for the nock end!) woodies like crazy ... completed near 2 dozen already. gets me back to my 1950's roots and the resulting nail footed arrows are *tough* enuf for roving.

if you love woodies, you've GOT to get one of these foot/foc jigs!

martin guy · June 01, 2009, 09:12:00 AM

Love those Surewood shafts with a pc. of tungsten in them!
I haven't broke one stump shooting yet!

Thanks for your input Rob.

Andy

longstiks · June 02, 2009, 04:17:00 AM

Rob,
Were you able to use the same spine arrow with the added 59gr. or did you have to up the spine wt.?
Denny

Rob DiStefano · June 02, 2009, 05:41:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by longstiks:
Rob,
Were you able to use the same spine arrow with the added 59gr. or did you have to up the spine wt.?
Denny

29" arrow, holding 55# @ 29", no spine issue at all for me, with woodies, i typically use 11/32" 60/65# spine, and quite often i'll taper the last 9" down to 5/16" (which further reduces spine). on at least a few parallel 11/32" shafts i added "tail" weight at the nock end, about 35 grains, and as expected it stiffened up the arrow spine. however, i typically can shoot a very wide range of arrow spines from the same bow.

with this jig, you can really mess with ...

* increasing the front end "footed" shaft strength
* add foc
* increase the spine stiffness ("tailing" the shaft)
* and of course all of this increases the arrow's total weight

next up, i wanna try two footing tests - a 1/8" hardwood dowel, and a 1/8" rod of carbon fiber - to strengthen the front end without adding any negligible arrow weight.

it's just way too easy to use this jig and it seems i'm on a mission to drill out all of my dozens and dozens of woodies that have been asleep and neglected for years. :D

Guru · June 02, 2009, 06:43:00 AM

I was at Rob's yesterday and he showed me how it works...like he said "way too easy"....I'll own one very soon!

Jack Skinner · June 02, 2009, 11:01:00 AM

For those of you that have had time to try your jig already I am looking for some assistance.

I have picked up some 1/8 and I think 3/16 brass rod. I havent weight it out yet in inch sections but I will soon.

When I switched from a 160gr to a 190gr tip/broadhead I had to take one inch from my shaft that would equal a 3-5lb increase in spine.

My question is have you found that for a 30-50gr increase in weight up front have you had to increase 3-5lbs of spine to the shaft you are using. Knowing this and the weight of my brass of course will help me get into the ballbark when getting my new front loaded shafts ready for trial.

SlowBowinMO · June 02, 2009, 11:23:00 AM

Hi Jack,

I've not found a mere 30 grains of weight equating to an inch of arrow unless I was weak to begin with. With most of my set ups, a jump from a 125 to a 160 gr head requires about a quarter inch, if I make any adjustments at all.

Jack Skinner · June 02, 2009, 11:42:00 AM

I am on the weak side I shoot a selfbow.

Jack Skinner · June 02, 2009, 11:48:00 AM

Forgot the Edit post isnt working. I must have been on the weak side with my shafts. I have been able to shoot a fairly wide spine range. I am planning on shortening up my shafts as well as front loading. If I wont need to change the spine in my shafts much for around 100gr of added front load weight that would be great. I think my problem will be that my ash shafts are already coming out in the total gr weight I like. I am hoping I wont have to change my shaft materal to keep the total weight down.

longstiks · June 02, 2009, 04:52:00 PM

Thanks for the reply! I guess i'll just have to start playing with mine and see what happens

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Denny

SlowBowinMO · June 02, 2009, 05:47:00 PM

longstiks, I like to say "The proof is in the shooting." Even though experience should give you an idea of what to expect, you don't really know how a particular set up is going to work till you actually try it.

UPDATE:

For those of you who really want to pack some weight up front, we'll have 6" 9/64" drill bits available soon for your convenience.

Doug A · June 05, 2009, 01:41:00 PM

Will the longer bits be packaged with the jigs? I'm interested in picking one up when they are back in stock.

Orion · June 05, 2009, 09:38:00 PM

Keep in mind that you can't frontload woods indefinitely. There reaches a point where wood, cedar, for example, doesn't have enough spine to handle a really heavy front load. Folks in the moderate draw length (say 28 inches) and light and mid-range bow weights, say up to 55# or so, shouldn't have any problems. But when you get to longer draw lengths (29-30 ionches)and above that bow weight with a high performance bow, fast flite string, etc, cedar just doesn't occur in a high enough spine to handle a lot of front loading. I've been doing some experimenting with this. Don't know exactly where the limit is yet, but there definitely is a limit.

marlon · June 05, 2009, 10:00:00 PM

I got mine. very good jig. Marlon

martin guy · June 06, 2009, 03:03:00 AM

Doug, the longer bits will be an option.

Orion, what if you were to add weight to the back of the arrow?

Jigs are being sent out in the morning (Sat.) I was going to send them today but it was my wifes birthday.....I also have plenty of stock for future orders.

Marlon, Thank you!

Andy

Orion · June 06, 2009, 10:59:00 PM

Martin Guy. I haven't tried adding weight to the back of the shaft as well as the front. Apparently, adding weight to the back stiffens the dynamic spine. So theoretically, one would get a little more spine out of a given arrow, but there may be some undesirable interactions/consequences with the front loading. Don't know.

SlowBowinMO · June 07, 2009, 12:37:00 AM

Orion, point loading works great with the cedar and fir I've tried it with, but yes you'll need more spine if you get aggressive.

The fir is available in really high spines so it shouldn't be a problem.

SlowBowinMO · June 09, 2009, 11:20:00 PM

UPDATE:

We have a good quantity of 11/32" jigs now in stock. We also have brought in 6" long 9/64 drill bits for those of you who wish to go deeper than the standard bit allows.

They are at the link below:

Point Jigs at Braveheart Archery