Modifying the Wensel Woodsman tip (now with harvest pics)

[JDinPA]

Originally posted by Jerry Jeffer:
I tried the WW and had disappointing results on big game. I use them for small game now. I prefer Magnus for the big stuff.

Jerry,
I'd love to hear your results. If you don't want to post then PM them to me. I've seen devastation from the WW to be fantastic.

[Vig]

Wow, great thread! Lots to learn here.  

I've got some experience with both the ww and the big grizzly.

Reading Terry's story I was reminded of when I watched my dad kill a large bull buffalo a few years ago... He was set up with the typical single-bevel 2 blade out of his 55# Grizzlybow longbow (700+ grain arrow).  On his first shot the arrow hit a rib- it actually bent the broadhead about 40 degrees and only penetrated about 8 inches (taking one lung).  Later, a second shot thru the heart finished the impressive animal.  Maybe a different broadhead would've made a difference.  Personally, I have had great luck with the head, but I doubt you'll get him to shoot them again.  Since we all like to look at pictures here he is:



I think the WW is a great head, and I always modify the tip as mentioned above.  I like how they sharpen easily, spin true, and fly like field points.  The only reason I shoot a different head now is because I hunt with heavy heads on wooden arrows, and the glue on WW is only 125 gr.  Another picture, this the result of a successful whitetail hunt.  Notice how I also modified the tip (and how worked over that head looks!  I think that was it's 3rd deer).



So- have any of you fellas found a good way to make the WW heavier in the glue-on configuration?  I know you can add lead, but will that get it very heavy?  I'd love to see it go 190 gr, like the big 2 blades I use now.

I'm anxious to see how the original quest in this thread turned out!

-Vig

[mooseman76]

Vig, not sure this interests you, but 3 rivers sells a wood screw adapter.  Which, to me, looks like an adapter that you glue onto the wood shaft and then you can use screw on heads.  You'd really be able to get your point weight up with that.  I've never used it (I'm a carbon/aluminum man), but thought it might interest you...Mike

[Terry Green]

Thanks for sharing Vig.  

[Charlie Lamb]

If you're going to use the Woodsman (great broadhead!) it just makes sense to modify the tip ... an ounce of prevention and all that!

It's simple as raising the blades off the stone or file as you drag the broadhead heel first. It takes very little angle change to strengthen the broadhead considerably.
 

[Vig]

Yes! Thanks to you guys who mentioned the screw-in adapter for wood arrows.  They go 50 gr, so with that and a 150 gr screw in WW... I think we're in business!  Will make for some serious FOC as well.

To hijack the thread a little more...

I might add that a while back at hunting camp my Dad and I had the long debate of needle point vs. rounded tip on the WW.  He shot his needle tip razor sharp WW completely through a big cow elk, splitting a rib on the way out.  The debate went uncontested as I, well, missed.  

-Vig

[Charlie Lamb]

Vig... the modified tip does equally well in dirt!
 :D

[Terry Green]

What Charlie said....but they are not rounded but pyramided...and a pyramided head will penetrait much more than a bent tip if you catch a rib going in.

I think the diffenence in penetraition of needle vs pyramided is like picking knats out of cow pies.....but the strength of the head is GREATLY improved.

[RGK]

I finished the arrows for this project. All the heads have been modified and the string trimmer line installed. the hunter now has everything and the rest is up to him.

The arrows finished out at 750 grains with a 15% FOC. I hope to have pictures back in a month. He leaves for the hunt on Feb. 16

[Jeff U]

Originally posted by Vig:
Yes! Thanks to you guys who mentioned the screw-in adapter for wood arrows.  They go 50 gr, so with that and a 150 gr screw in WW... I think we're in business!  Will make for some serious FOC as well.

-Vig

If you really want them heavy make your own screw in WW to work with the adapter.  Combine:

Wood Screw adapter - 50 grain
Steel broadhead adapters (screw in) - choice 75, 100, or 125
Glue on WW - 125 grain.

Results:  A wood arrow Wensel Woodsman Broadhead - weight 250, 275, or 300 grain

[RGK]

That is what I used for these arrows for his bison hunt. 100 grain steel adapters with 50 grain brass inserts and a 125 grain WW and (2) 5 grain brass weight washers. total front end = 285 grains

[RGK]

I just got word from the Bison hunter. He has his bull. He got penetration on both sides but the arrow did not completely pass through and exit the far side. He got both lungs and the heart and the beast broke his arrow in 3 pieces.


Live weight 2,4000 pounds, Hanging weight (without head, hide, hoofs or guts) 1,109 pounds. Total boneless meat is 717 pounds. It scored in the SCI top 20. I hope to have pictures soon.


the guy's partner got his bull with a restored Sharps rifle and put 6 shots in the boiler room before his bison went down.

[yleecoyote23]

AWESOME, can't wait to see the pics!!

[Terry Green]

Wow...if those numbers are correct....mine was under estimated at 2000 pounds.....

I had 1100 pounds hanging on the nose.  Left side 545, right side 555, and 695 pounds of meat.

Cool.

[leatherneck]

Great post Ron!
Thanks Terry, score one up for the 3-bleders!( and an adorable young lady there as well)

[RGK]

The hunter stopped by my house today to drop off some pictures of his bison and to show me the arrow (all 3 pieces of it) The broadhead was as sharp and as good as new.






As stated, the entire head came thru the far side but the arrow did not completely pass through and out of the bison.

[LEOPARD]

That's great penetration! Nice trophy! Well done Ron!    Your arrows worked well!     :D  Thanks for sharing!        

[RGK]

When the hunter stopped by last night with the pictures, he also brought along a big bag of bison fillets and roasts and steaks and burger. He told me that after doing the math, it would take a year to eat all the bison even if he ate 2 pounds every day. On top of that, I processed a few deer for him this year. I think he is set for red meat for a while.

[Bigriver]

What bow was he shooting?

[JoeM]

Nice pics and story!!  Enjoy the meat.  Joe