HH bug got me ... Part One!

[Lostaro]

New Hill owner saying hello. Picked up a Wesley from a fine TG member and hope to be a productive member of the discussion. Learning a lot from you guys already. Thanks.

[MikeNova]

He does't bring bows for sale because he says his customers who have paid deserve their bows before he makes stock bows to sell.

Thats really cool of David!

[tradlongbow]

Lostaro-

Welcome to the Hill Thread. Post some pics as soon as you get them.

Darren

[Rossco7002]

Well - queue bow related domestic soon, I just put in another order. This time it's an ebony handled Cheetah with a wine colored wrap. Going up 10 pounds or so in draw weight - I've got some 600+ grain arrows that should fly just right out of it.

[Ontario Longbow]

Ross,, Really looking forward seeing that new Cheetah, sounds great.

[dragonheart]

To the "Hill" Brotherhood:

Okay, I have an arrow spine question for all, wondering opinions.  Here are the specs.  I am wanting to know what you would suggest spine in wood arrows.  Kelly, I know you used to deal with building alot of arrows what are your thoughts on this setup?

Bow Specs:

Howard Hill Big five, 66"
60# @ 26"
26" draw length
B-50 flemish 15 strand string no silencers
Bow cut 1/4" outside of centershot

Arrow specs:
11/32 parallel Sitka spruce shaft
Target Arrow Length: 26 1/4" bottom of nock to BOP
190 grain field point
3x 5 1/4" parabolic High back feathers burned
Mercury Nock, 11/32

Jeff

[WESTBROOK]

I'd say 60-65. The 190g point is being offset by the arrow length being nearly 2" less than 28"

Eric

[tradlongbow]

Ross
Can't wait to see your Cheetah. Are you going to leave the Ebony riser exposed, so you can see the entire riser?
Darren

[dragonheart]

I run this in Stu's calcuator and it says a 50 pound arrow spine.  Is the spine off on the calculator?  That seems awful lite in spine to me.  I figured the arrow weight per inch about 12 grains for the spruce.    

I am cutting my arrows right at the back of the bow now and it is working for me.

Originally posted by Lostaro:
New Hill owner saying hello. Picked up a Wesley from a fine TG member and hope to be a productive member of the discussion. Learning a lot from you guys already. Thanks.

Lost...welcome to the campfire!  Lookin forward to you participation.
 

[frank bullitt]

Jeff, without the 190 grain head, like 125, I'd say 55-60 would be douable!

But, then I would also say 60-65 would be, too!

Just depends on the Shooter! Not a fan of Stus calc. Alot of foks will argue.

Stus not shootin your bow!  

[Rossco7002]

Darren,

I'm going to have the juniper run up the riser on this one. I think it'll provide a great contrast with black ebony.  With a wine colored wrap I think it'll look really eye catching.

I love the look of the visible riser on my Half Breed - the snakewood is perfect with the yew for this (in my opinion). On this build I'm hoping for a look that's a little more unusual for a Hill style bow.

[Bud B.]

Another day stumpin' with the HH.

I went back to Uwharrie.

There are several piles of rock stacked at various locations. Here is a chimney from an old homestead. I'm guessing from the 1700s.

 

A target in the distance...

 


The blunt hit home...    

 

An OLD tree rub from many years ago. I'll bet he was a big hoss.

 

[Canyon]

     

[Canyon]

Originally posted by Overspined:
Canyon, now we are all waiting to see that bow in the classifieds      :D  

No way that is going to happen. I am too stubborn to give up on this bow. Besides my wife bought it for me for our 25th anniversary and the consequences of selling it are just not worth it.

If this bow likes 80lb spine I will shoot 80lb spine and keep smiling

[falconview]

I've found 5 to 10# over bow weight is more accurate for me
every time I'm on or under I get mixed or bad performance

[Overspined]

A good way to get very close is to shoot aluminums bare shaft (they don't break like wood).  Then just translate the aluminum spine to wood.  So if you find an aluminum size and length/point weight combination, convert to a wood spine and start cutting a little long, with all finished shafts, and work your way shorter until you find the sweet spot.  It has worked for me for years now, and I tune with broadheads and fletched arrows.  I usually try to find the shaft that tunes decent without the left/right kick and is 1" past the back of the bow, so I have a little room to work when I get the woodies.  I have a local shop with the spectrum of sizes and lengths of aluminum, so it is easy for me, but I also had to buy a spine tester (some people make them) so I can easily check to see what is working, or just a little light/heavy so I can easily make adjustments when I purchase new ones.  Always start with a KNOWN and work from there.

I just decided to start footing with Ash, so now I have to do some playing as well to see what the changes might be to arrow flight with a little more weight up front, as well as the glue line and how it will affect flight.  I am just starting with one arrow, and I will make changes from there as needed.  I know every shaft is different, but it should get me very close.

I agree that with the 190/200 gr head, that about 10# spine over your bow weight will get you close.  Maybe up to around 20# if your draw length is long. Mine tune to between 10 and 15# over bow weight with 200 gr.

[toddster]

tradlongbow- the one I shot was a locator grip, which actually felt good.  But as stated, you can order it in different sizes.  I didn't see Miller there, but if I couldn't shoot one of his bows, then thats okay too.

Canyon, I was talking with my son about differing arrow casts and it came up that it is possible that your bow puts the coals, so to speak, at a point that puts some of the arrow out in front of the bow. If that is the case, it may simply need the spine. I have an extremely hot shooting Schulz that violates the Miller spine chart as well and the chrono speeds it gets verifies why, but then I will just leave it at that since I don't want to get into arguments about how fast a longbow can put out an arrow.

[tg2nd]

Well said, pavan.