HH bug got me ... Part One!

swampthing · December 14, 2011, 09:32:00 PM

"Vintage Style" Woven glass is on the Back of the glass version. The belly is flat.

Ontario Longbow · December 14, 2011, 09:32:00 PM

Shooting the Wesley,, Just sold a great longbow to order a new Hill,, Merry Christmas!!,, LOL

Ontario Longbow · December 14, 2011, 09:35:00 PM

Favorite Hill pic

flint kemper · December 14, 2011, 09:38:00 PM

No the glass he makes is for the back of the bow.They also used gasket material as well. Yes very involved and a art form only a few know the whole process these days and only one man making them this way David Miller.

Mudd · December 14, 2011, 09:42:00 PM

Hopefully by this time next year I will be shooting a Sunset Hill built by Nate and an Expedition made by David Miller.

I'm actually hoping the Sunset will make it here before our season ends.

Thanks for the beautiful photos!!!

Merry Christmas and God bless,Mudd

flint kemper · December 14, 2011, 09:44:00 PM

Mudd, enjoy.

mikebiz · December 14, 2011, 10:03:00 PM

Thanks guys. Had that glass thing backwards.

tradlongbow · December 14, 2011, 11:26:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Ontario Longbow:
Favorite Hill pic

Frank-

That's my favorite pic too. I love to see the limbs bend.

Darren

Rossco7002 · December 15, 2011, 12:02:00 AM

Hey Mudd,

That's a lot to be looking forward to next season. The only trouble I find with getting two bows in one year is I can never decide which one to take hunting!

I'm thinking about a CC/CV from Dave Miller too. Given that Dave is the only guy making bows using this type of construction it may well become a 'lost art' in the future...... Also, they look awesome.

December 15, 2011, 02:51:00 AM

It always looks like Howard's bows had more bend in the limbs than a lot of the bows in the pics of today. I should get my wife to take pictures of my bows at that angle and see how much difference there is.

canopyboy · December 15, 2011, 07:00:00 AM

Ok, I missed something or just plain need more edumacation -- what makes it a CC/CV? How is a concave/convex longbow defined? I love the way it looks, I just want to understand it a little better.

David Mitchell · December 15, 2011, 07:45:00 AM

canopyboy, basically the bamboo is not steamed and flattened to make flat laminations before it is used in the bow, hence the cross section is arched or concave on one side and convex on the other. Think of the cross section view of a metal measuring tape--it's that kind of shape. Dave showed me a cut off piece of a limb and it just had the natural curvature of the bamboo. The belly is ground flat but the back of the bow is still rounded a bit and that's why the woven type glass has to be used. In earlier days when Hill was making them that way the linear, unidirectional glass would raise along the edges of the limbs. That problem can be seen in some of the photos of old bows Bob Burton shows in his book. Adcock started doing something sort of similar in his ACS design but only on the last several inches of the limb and of course did it with the bow form rather than the natural curve of bamboo.

Hope this helps picture it in your mind. Of course I'm talking about the glassed version of the cc/cv bow--the one Dave calls the Expedition.

Steve Clandinin · December 15, 2011, 09:34:00 AM

A question to anyone who has shot Millers all bamboo,How much differance is there in the shooting Qualities between these and say a regular HH, as to performance shock etc,etc.I was looking at Daves website and man those all bamboo bows look nice.
Swampthing,that bow of yours is to die for,Man that is nice!

Overspined · December 15, 2011, 10:06:00 AM

I love my Miller split bamboo. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!!! Did I say that I love it?
I have a 66" 45#@28" and I wish I could order a 50#. I haven't taken it hunting, it's high gloss and I am careful with it. I may put some wax on it and hunt it next yr. It shoots so smooth and quiet. Perfect fit and finish. Grip is fantastic. Its a real treat every time I take it out. I will be shooting league this winter with it. It is noticeably different than any standard Hill style. I like having Hill bows of different makes and styles, and this one is awesome. It is a little slower than glass bows, but not by much. With a Dacron string and no glass 10 fps I think is what the video system indicated. Not significant. I was so pleAsed to own a piece of history, and shoot it!

Steve Clandinin · December 15, 2011, 10:13:00 AM

Matt,thats exactly the kind of response I was afraid of !LOL.This is the bow I remember 50 years ago my dads friend had that taught me to shoot with,I to loved it.Thanks my friend.

stik&string · December 15, 2011, 11:00:00 AM

I drool whenever I look at the Miller website but I can't order one right now.

Kelly · December 15, 2011, 11:08:00 AM

Guys, tell me how many pieces of bamboo are used in the CC/CV version? Id their actually a hollow space-maybe filled with glue- where the concave lams meets up with the convex lam?

My Miller split bamboo-no glass-the back is the rounded natural shape of bamboo. It has 4 lams total including the back.

There was a bowyer that used to live in Missouri, then moved to New Mexico and later had a stroke-think his first name was Bill? Anyway, one year awhile back at the Missouri Banquet he had built a D shape all bamboo longbow that consited of two lams of nodes on bamboo, basically glued up so both the back and belly were the natural rounded curve of bamboo with nodes on each piece like this (). Everyone was shooting that bow and wow, was that one ever a shooter. Never seen one like that before or since.

tradlongbow · December 15, 2011, 11:09:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by canopyboy:
Ok, I missed something or just plain need more edumacation -- what makes it a CC/CV? How is a concave/convex longbow defined? I love the way it looks, I just want to understand it a little better.

David-

The bamboo is stacked on top of each other like "window blinds" making it CC/CV.

Darren

Kelly · December 15, 2011, 11:16:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by tradlongbow:

QuoteOriginally posted by canopyboy:
Ok, I missed something or just plain need more edumacation -- what makes it a CC/CV? How is a concave/convex longbow defined? I love the way it looks, I just want to understand it a little better.
David-

The bamboo is stacked on top of each other like "window blinds" making it CC/CV.

Darren [/b]

So it looks like this, (((

Mudd · December 15, 2011, 11:27:00 AM

Kelly I was there and shot the bow. I was so impressed that I went home and tried my hand at building my own. I put a piece of bamboo flooring material between the two pieces of bamboo.

I could hardly draw it was so strong. I started on taking some pounds off of it and got in too big of a hurry and ended up with a kids bow.

Too bad I was such a weakling, it might have been a great bow just as it was out of it's glue up.

I believe Maddox was Bill's last name. The family moved out west somewhere after Bill's stroke.

Merry Christmas and God bless,Mudd