Ultra Cam???

[bofish-IL]

Well I am not trying to start anything but I just don't understand all the things people are doing to get more speed. From what I have read that is what making less strands is about but then you have to wrap the ends to make them stronger or fit better. I got into Trad for the simplicity of it. I just hope all these new materials don't make B50 disappear. I've shot it for over 20 years and trust and rely on it. Some of you must enjoy trying each new thing, that comes along.

[freefeet]

Originally posted by Jesse Peltan:
I'm looking forward to trying the new astroflight material.  It's supposed to be the best yet.

My local shop is selling it and it's advertised as 100% Dyneema.  Same stuff as D97 but at twice the price.

[LBR]

Generally the breaking is at the nock point--brass nock point or tied on doesn't seem to make a difference.

The problem, as far as I can tell, it that is the point on the string that constantly gets bent, over and over, in the same spot.  If the material doesn't have a certain amount of flex, something has to give.  That was the problem with PENN 66 and B-75--after a while they just broke, like a wire that was bent in the same place too many times.

FF, Dyna 10 isn't the exact same material as Dyna '97.  Both are Dyneema, but Dyneema comes in different grades.  Original FF was SK65 Dyneema.  Dynaflight '97 is SK75 Dyneema.  Dynaflight 10 is SK78 Dyneema.  I haven't bought any yet, but Ray at BCY told me it would be approximately 25% more expensive than Dyna '97--at least if you are buying it from BCY.  

Bofish, I'm not convinced there's much of a performance gain on most bows.  I like the HMPE materials because they have much less stretch and creep, and they are stronger/more durable.  Mine are also very quiet.

Chad

[vermonster13]

I tested some Astro-Flite. It sells for $29 a spool from Brownell. Less creep than the D97 and softer feeling than Ultra-Cam but has more wax.

[JC]

So where does TS-1 fit in here with all these synth strings? I'm loving my skinny strings, mainly because of how quiet they are, but all the ones Ryan Sanpei has built me we did out of 8125 because at the time, that was the norm for skinny strings. To my ear, my old conventional strand count TS-1 strings were quieter than other materials of similar build. I wonder if TS-1 would be strong enough for a skinny string and improve the sound even further.

[Jeremy]

TS1 (has been TS Plus for a few years now) will be discontinued next year.  It's another 100% HMPE material.  A little more creep* and a whole lot less wax than D97 (and noticably quieter on my bows).  It's smaller diameter than D97, I've gone as low as 10 strands, but didn't see much point to going lower.  It'll likely creep just like a skinny D97.

*That's what most people tell me.  I haven't made any D97 strings - the two I bought from a well known stringmaker kept creeping like crazy.  TS1 in my hands doesn't creep anywhere near that much, but going by reviews of people I trust it creeps a little more than a good D97 string

[LBR]

TS-1 became TS-Plus, which (according to Brownell's website) will be discontinued in 2011.  Dunno how well it would work in a skinny string--as I understand it, it had a good bit of creep.

Chad

[JC]

Yeah, it definitely creeps, but boy was it quiet.

[Jeremy]

I have enough TS1 to last my lifetime anyway